Seems like this subreddit has recently appeared criticising a lot of the toxic misogyny that is apparent among GenZ boys/men.
Shit like this thread gives a good example of the mindsets young women are dealing with among these guys: https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckYouZoomer/comments/1gv5pdl/date_with_a_typical_podcast_bro_brainrotted/
Maybe this isn't the space that will properly counter it, some of it is deeply reactionary, but there seems to be an energy and interest building in countering it now. Enough people seem to view it as a problem.
That video is fucking yikes. Is this actually an emerging problem specifically with the zoomers? The right wing red pill shit has rotted the brain of a lot of millennials, and Gen x too.
All this shit is so worrying tbh.
I mentioned it before but all the social media platforms and their owners are colluding to raise a generation of fascist men. Algorithmically grooming young men and boys into Hitler Youth.
Twitch, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, I can't think of one that promotes "left" leaning content at all except for TikTok from China
You're right it's very worrying, they're establishing new social norms (fascism) through brute force, made possible only by the scale of their platforms. That Hasan is the only 'left' personality in the top 10 on Twitch, while he's surrounded by 9 right wing fash, says everything about what kind of people are being raised on Twitch.
Very worried about my younger family members who are growing up watching Twitch streamers if they're 90%+ fash.
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(work in progress 🚧)This is pretty much how I feel about it
Idk how prevalent it is with zoomers and if it's gotten more common with young men, but this kind of reactionary attitude has been around for a long time. Like before The Red Pill they didn't need The Red Pill becaues this kind of chud shit was pretty normalized.
You have a point. Before, this kind of opinion was sort of the default, or at least it would be something newlyweds would fight about because the men expected this, they just didn't say it out loud. At least that's what I remember from people my age and older when they got married, plus popular culture showing late Gen x and older millennial men being pretty much large children.
I think the biggest difference now is that the abuse and the expected subordination has become part of the conscious gender performance of men, the subtext of toxic masculinity has become text, and it's somehow more menacing and scary this way.
CW: discussion of abuse, Texas
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Again, I don't know that much about how Zoomers are behaving, but when I was a kid in Texas this was definitely in force. Violence from adult men towards women and children, violence from boys towards boys they viewed as having lower standing, girls, and women. It was a very deliberate and brutal enforcement of patriarchy. The men would sit in the living room, drink beer, watch football. The women, who had jobs and were raising the kids, were expected to do all the cooking and cleaning and were subject to verbal abuse in the form of teasing and heckling while doing so. Kids who made noise, were noticed by adult men, or god forbid spoke up for themselves or stood out in any way were subject to verbal and physical violence from men which the women supported and reinforced.
Again, idk what's really going on with zoomer men, the ones I know are pretty normal, but ruthless, overt, violent patriarchy has been around.
If you haven't already read The Will To Change there's a great few chapters all about this kind of thing, I look forward to seeing you in the reading group.
I am starting to really appreciate my soft spoken and sweet father. Never raised a finger against anyone, helped cook and never instilled any of these reactionary patterns in us
Jesus. I'm glad I grew up in a family context with nearly no men so that wasn't the case. There was patriarchy and misogyny all around, but at least not in the private space, and not from men, just because there weren't any around.
I think the key word in my observation was conscious. I used to see men enforcing the patriarchy violently when I was younger, but it wasn't articulated through the overt expression of an ideology of mysogyny, it was the hegemony reproducing itself. Now I see an element of intentionality to it in the nastier zoomers I've interacted with.
Yeah, it was real bad. I was able to get out after a couple of years and ended up somewhere that, while still full of problems, was overall much more chill, with much less gendered violence and much less repressive of individuality
That's true. But Idk the red pill shit has seemingly made these ideas way more acceptable to say out loud and on large platforms, which for a time I don't think was the case. It was just weird republicans and annoying boomers. But then again, I don't hang around with chuddy men or consume that kind of media, so idk. I also didn't grow up around or know a lot of open Conservatives.
I have noticed that a few people I knew who were previously "apolitical" went down that path around gamer gate, and now listen to Rogan and Peterson like they are their gurus. I feel like there would have been a higher chance they didn't hold these views if this kind of media wasn't promoted so heavily.
I guess it's the difference between a barely hidden misogyny VS a very open and proud misogyny.