Seems like this subreddit has recently appeared criticising a lot of the toxic misogyny that is apparent among GenZ boys/men.
Shit like this thread gives a good example of the mindsets young women are dealing with among these guys: https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckYouZoomer/comments/1gv5pdl/date_with_a_typical_podcast_bro_brainrotted/
Maybe this isn't the space that will properly counter it, some of it is deeply reactionary, but there seems to be an energy and interest building in countering it now. Enough people seem to view it as a problem.
This is absolutely not feminist content.
There's an overwhelmingly ageist bent, and even the non-feminist criticism of men is viewed primarily through the bent that misogyny is a problem specific to zoomers.
Again, the criticism here isn't a feminist one, the Redditors there are insulting men for not being masculine and patriarchal correctly. Also, there is absolutely no learning or actual feminist analysis being applied to any of it. It's just reactionaries shitting on a different group of reactionaries for being the wrong kind of reactionary.
Let me put this as simply as possible: Women ragging on men is not inherently feminism, analysis through an informed and explicitly feminist lens is required.
insulting men for not being masculine and patriarchal correctly
Ayy yeah this is a good way to describe it.
Once again, Betteridge's Law applies.
Is /r/fuckyouzoomer emerging as a sort of new semi-feminist shitredditsays?
No.
yeah idk it just seems like a subreddit where people who read those generation-bashing article titles and take them 100% seriously as if it's not some shit that some asshole just made up for clicks go to relentlessly shit on a specific group of people
From a quick survey it looks like a classic reddit hate/ragebait sub.
Yeah this really just looks like the contemporary version of Gen X and boomers whining about Millenials, and boomers whining about GenX, on back to the before times.
Yeah going through it it reminded me of how happy I am I dropped
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Like this stuff doesn't read like some precursor to Feminism, it just reads like old people who don't understand young people and hate what they don't understand.
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Christ some of the replies are fucking vicious. Calls for deporting zoomers, "Geld them all".
Yeah, here's the smoking gun. Of the fraction of people who actually post they're all olds kvetching about kids these days.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckYouZoomer/comments/1gwhuye/what_generation_are_you/
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Calling out the worst generation ever
They were quoting Boomers and wrote the article about how they're always punching down, right? Padme.jpeg
That's what enough_vaush_spam essentially is too. It's what all the "criticize x thing" subreddits are. This one is vulgar and not particularly well operated but in terms of what it is criticising, the primary issue it seems to have is with genz males being hyper misogynistic.
They seem to be doing it in an extremely generalizing and dehumanizing way. Like I don't think they're criticizing from a feminist lens or in good faith. It seems like they've identified an out group to hate and are essentializing and dehumanizing that group ruthlessly. Their nominal target is misogyny but their methods are reactionary.
How does that track? Does this sound like a reasonable analysis? I'm still browsing the sub and getting a feel for it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1gwc7a4/the_least_worst/
As a contrast Skull Shaun is currently the subject of the top post on GenZ and it seems like there's a pretty fierce battle going on there between Incels and normal people.
How does that track? Does this sound like a reasonable analysis? I'm still browsing the sub and getting a feel for it.
It does feel that way to me. Just ragebait and dehumanizing discourse wrapped in vague progressivism.
Frank absolutely nailed it, some really solid and well-stated analysis.
This is also a really good example of the concerns we have with dunk content here on the site. Like you said, ragebait and dehumanizing discourse but here wrapped in vague leftism and a ton of irony poisoning.
I did say somewhere else that the comments there feel different from here, even when at the core it's engaging in "dunking" either way, reddit feels meaner and it just brings you down, here it's different.
It's a vibes-based analysis, anyway, and maybe it's because I know most of the people here, so I feel safer knowing where I stand.
I think a good way of describing the vibe shift in terms of toxicity, meanness, and misanthropy is that Reddit is a 10/10 on the scale of Bad Vibes, but we've got things at about a 6/10 over here.
It's gonna feel bad for everyone immersed in dunking here to look at everything cranked all the way up in comparison, but a frog looking in from outside our 6/10 boiling pot is still gonna see our site culture as toxic, mean, and misanthropic.
Their nominal target is misogyny but their methods are reactionary.
Right, this is why I threw it in slop to begin with. But I think the point I'm trying to make is that if this kind of thing is occurring naturally by lay-people now then there's energy and interest that exists for an actual push from people who know more theory.
There's a bunch of transphobic and SWERF shit going on there, too.
Agree. I think what the libs are doing is using insults that they know will personally affect the kinds of people who have been drawn into the Andrew Tate audiences. It's the same behaviour as them calling Putin gay because of Russia's anti-lgbt laws.
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That sub has a really weird focus on zoomers' testosterone levels, which is pretty ironic for a place that hates the manosphere so much.
EDIT: Seeing unironic "dae le zoomers eat tide pods" there lmao
It's because a large portion of them are zoomers themselves and the only language they've learned to attack men with is "low T" and attacks that question manhood. This has ironically been part of the cause of the obsession that some young males have with being "alpha" and pushes them into the manosphere.
That video is fucking yikes. Is this actually an emerging problem specifically with the zoomers? The right wing red pill shit has rotted the brain of a lot of millennials, and Gen x too.
All this shit is so worrying tbh.
I mentioned it before but all the social media platforms and their owners are colluding to raise a generation of fascist men. Algorithmically grooming young men and boys into Hitler Youth.
Twitch, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, I can't think of one that promotes "left" leaning content at all except for TikTok from China
You're right it's very worrying, they're establishing new social norms (fascism) through brute force, made possible only by the scale of their platforms. That Hasan is the only 'left' personality in the top 10 on Twitch, while he's surrounded by 9 right wing fash, says everything about what kind of people are being raised on Twitch.
Very worried about my younger family members who are growing up watching Twitch streamers if they're 90%+ fash.
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(work in progress 🚧)Idk how prevalent it is with zoomers and if it's gotten more common with young men, but this kind of reactionary attitude has been around for a long time. Like before The Red Pill they didn't need The Red Pill becaues this kind of chud shit was pretty normalized.
You have a point. Before, this kind of opinion was sort of the default, or at least it would be something newlyweds would fight about because the men expected this, they just didn't say it out loud. At least that's what I remember from people my age and older when they got married, plus popular culture showing late Gen x and older millennial men being pretty much large children.
I think the biggest difference now is that the abuse and the expected subordination has become part of the conscious gender performance of men, the subtext of toxic masculinity has become text, and it's somehow more menacing and scary this way.
the abuse and the expected subordination has become part of the conscious gender performance of men
CW: discussion of abuse, Texas
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Again, I don't know that much about how Zoomers are behaving, but when I was a kid in Texas this was definitely in force. Violence from adult men towards women and children, violence from boys towards boys they viewed as having lower standing, girls, and women. It was a very deliberate and brutal enforcement of patriarchy. The men would sit in the living room, drink beer, watch football. The women, who had jobs and were raising the kids, were expected to do all the cooking and cleaning and were subject to verbal abuse in the form of teasing and heckling while doing so. Kids who made noise, were noticed by adult men, or god forbid spoke up for themselves or stood out in any way were subject to verbal and physical violence from men which the women supported and reinforced.
Again, idk what's really going on with zoomer men, the ones I know are pretty normal, but ruthless, overt, violent patriarchy has been around.
Jesus. I'm glad I grew up in a family context with nearly no men so that wasn't the case. There was patriarchy and misogyny all around, but at least not in the private space, and not from men, just because there weren't any around.
I think the key word in my observation was conscious. I used to see men enforcing the patriarchy violently when I was younger, but it wasn't articulated through the overt expression of an ideology of mysogyny, it was the hegemony reproducing itself. Now I see an element of intentionality to it in the nastier zoomers I've interacted with.
Yeah, it was real bad. I was able to get out after a couple of years and ended up somewhere that, while still full of problems, was overall much more chill, with much less gendered violence and much less repressive of individuality
I am starting to really appreciate my soft spoken and sweet father. Never raised a finger against anyone, helped cook and never instilled any of these reactionary patterns in us
If you haven't already read The Will To Change there's a great few chapters all about this kind of thing, I look forward to seeing you in the reading group.
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That's true. But Idk the red pill shit has seemingly made these ideas way more acceptable to say out loud and on large platforms, which for a time I don't think was the case. It was just weird republicans and annoying boomers. But then again, I don't hang around with chuddy men or consume that kind of media, so idk. I also didn't grow up around or know a lot of open Conservatives.
I have noticed that a few people I knew who were previously "apolitical" went down that path around gamer gate, and now listen to Rogan and Peterson like they are their gurus. I feel like there would have been a higher chance they didn't hold these views if this kind of media wasn't promoted so heavily.
I guess it's the difference between a barely hidden misogyny VS a very open and proud misogyny.
i stumbled upon this subreddit a few weeks ago, right after the election
it doesnt seem actually feminist, it mostly looked like a bunch of gen y democrats who were seething that zoomers supposedly cost them the election (as opposed to the usual blame on "muh latinos!!")
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the only thing that really seems vaguely feminist is that they hate incels
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also his first ever post (link) makes me think that he's just EXTREMELY jealous (to the point of hatred) that zoomers are younger than him LOL
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i hope this guy stays obsessed because its kinda funny
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I gotta admire her sticking around after a couple of those lines, I would have gotten off that table and left him the tab.
Many people (especially afab) are raised to be agreeable and avoid conflict at all costs, and we just kind of freeze when someone says horrible shit in front of us. Took me until very recently to realize I can sometimes just walk away, and that I don't owe an explanation to anybody.
Besides, if I was her with someone this unabashedly incel, I'd try my best to not say/do anything that sends them over the edge and gives them cause to assault me.
