Like obviously personal property can include hygiene products, firearms, or electronic devices. However I've seen some Marxists say that houses can be considered personal property so long as the land they're built on is owned publicly. Is this a valid perspective or are these champagne socialists clinging to their liberalism?
Houses are actually a good example for this because they are already owned both privately and personally. A landlord (yuck) owns them privately and can sell them, but the tenant owns them personally. Your landlord couldn't come sleep on your couch after a night of drinking, even though they own your house, because they sell you the personal ownership. Similarly, you couldn't sell or rent your house because you don't own it privately.
In a communist society, you could personally own a house, but you couldn't sell or rent it. And you probably couldn't own multiple houses, unless you had a good reason.
you probably couldn’t own multiple houses, unless you had a good reason.
If I live in Vermont, but work in Washington, and enjoy spending my summer vacations by the lake, is that a good reason?
but you couldn’t sell or rent it. And you probably couldn’t own multiple houses
You'd still have to sell it for someone else to personally own if you're going to move, especially if you're hard defining not being able to own multiple.
I used communist society here to mean advanced stage communism, where there is no money. You could maybe trade your house for another or just announce that it is free to whatever service is used to look for places to live. In less advanced communist societies you might still sell and buy houses.
your residence is personal property
https://pics.me.me/know-the-difference-personal-property-private-property-buildings-used-to-34441890.png
that doesn't mean you can have the palace at Versailles though
Someone I know is a real estate agent and posted a listing for a $15 million house that was like the size of a high school. I hope that after the revolution it could be turned into something useful, like break it up into smaller apartments or something
I think the line should be drawn at what you personally, substantially use. If you live in your house full-time year-round it makes sense for you to be able to exclude others from it. This shouldn't extend to full fee simple ownership, which would allow you to sell the land at profit or will it to whoever you want when you die, but it should allow you to maintain a home you're actually living in for the duration of your life. IIRC Cuba handles housing like this.
You own your house as long as you use it. What own means is then up to debate.
Ok, so in your opinion, a house that is used exclusively as a residence for the owner is personal property.
If you own the home but are only there a month out of the year it becomes private property and that not a good thing
Counterpoint: Soviet dachas
I like the 'can you generate passive income from this' litmus test.
If it is used to generate value by making other people use it by buying their labor, then I'd say that is private property. I think some form, extend of private property is ok. Personal house, personal possessions, a collection of handmade items, even a summer house etc. in my book all these are personal property.
Not toothbrushes tho. Toothbrushes are communal.
i see no reason not to share summer houses. it's not like you're using it all the time
Yeah, definitely. but as long as you're not charging rent for it, it still can be personal property.
You can own the thing you live in. If you live in a multi-unit building, you can personally own your unit and communally own the building with everyone else who lives there.
A hotel probably isn't anyone's personal property, and should belong to either a hospitality workers' coop or the government. Long stay hotels exist though, and a lot of homeless people are stuck permanently living in those, which is rent and bad, would still be rent and bad even if the landlords made their beds every day. The boundary is somewhere in there.
A small plot of land the house is on could even count. They key word being small, for example the yard adjacent to your house with your shed that has belongings, with your vegetable garden and fenced in for your dog isn't exactly what you could call shared public property.
Obviously trying to rent the property out crosses that line though, any industrial or office building, land used for business, land that isn't attached to your inhabited home or used to produce commodities (where a vegetable garden to produce your own food counts as personal, farmland would count as private) etc. If it's for commercial use or is a public space It's not personal property, if it's for your personal use or habitation it is.
