"I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway," Sanders said, "and learn what they have accomplished for their working people."
I mean, not like her take is that different from Bernie.
Bernie just wouldnt have run as a socialist if that were true though. The difference between someone that just openly admits they're not a socialist or even anti-capitalist and someone that says they're a socialist is pretty significant, even if their presidential platforms were similar in some ways.
Yeah i've read Our Revolution and he's pretty clear about things in it. He would never have called himself a socialist if he wasnt one, it didnt help him or serve any strategic means. Bernie has a long history of supporting socialists around the world, what his platform as president was doesnt have much to do with his own personal ideologies, and theres a clear distinction between him and a liberal like Marianne. The difference is that yes social democracies have things that socialist countries can implements obviously, but Marianne looks to it as an end in it of itself while someone like Bernie looks at these things as part of the answer as opposed to the answer itself. I also dont think Bernie was great at articulating some things, though he was good at popularizing concepts related to socialist ideology.
I mean, is that even wrong though? The other choices were so awful that she really was the least bad one after Bernie. It says more about how bad the other candidates were than anything.
I think it's a case of "it's not what is being said, but how it's being said." Saying that she was the second best choice gives her validity. Imagine it was just Bernie, Pete, and Biden, and someone said "I think Pete's the best choice after Bernie." You're legitimizing a terrible choice, you shouldn't give much space to think about anything but the only acceptable possibility.
But practically speaking, in the most positive possible scenario Bernie would have gotten some social democratic reforms done that probably don't go as far as Sweden, so I'm not sure the practical difference is a that great.
"Guys I think Marianne is the best choice after Bernie, unironically"
The most leftwing subreddit still got a few of its members to fall for a crystal-snorting essential oil peddler
I mean, not like her take is that different from Bernie.
i think people have been chugging the "Punished Juche Bernie -- A Fallen Legend --" memes a little too hard lol
Bernie just wouldnt have run as a socialist if that were true though. The difference between someone that just openly admits they're not a socialist or even anti-capitalist and someone that says they're a socialist is pretty significant, even if their presidential platforms were similar in some ways.
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tbh i think its childish to think Bernie was just an imbecile who thought socialism means what Sweden is doing
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Yeah i've read Our Revolution and he's pretty clear about things in it. He would never have called himself a socialist if he wasnt one, it didnt help him or serve any strategic means. Bernie has a long history of supporting socialists around the world, what his platform as president was doesnt have much to do with his own personal ideologies, and theres a clear distinction between him and a liberal like Marianne. The difference is that yes social democracies have things that socialist countries can implements obviously, but Marianne looks to it as an end in it of itself while someone like Bernie looks at these things as part of the answer as opposed to the answer itself. I also dont think Bernie was great at articulating some things, though he was good at popularizing concepts related to socialist ideology.
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I mean, is that even wrong though? The other choices were so awful that she really was the least bad one after Bernie. It says more about how bad the other candidates were than anything.
I think it's a case of "it's not what is being said, but how it's being said." Saying that she was the second best choice gives her validity. Imagine it was just Bernie, Pete, and Biden, and someone said "I think Pete's the best choice after Bernie." You're legitimizing a terrible choice, you shouldn't give much space to think about anything but the only acceptable possibility.
But practically speaking, in the most positive possible scenario Bernie would have gotten some social democratic reforms done that probably don't go as far as Sweden, so I'm not sure the practical difference is a that great.
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Mike Gravel was the second best candidate after Bernie.
Mike Gravel was the best candidate
Idk probably true in his prime but with two high schoolers playing Weekend at Bernie's with his corpse it's hard to say
I mean...it still would have been true.