• Pezevenk [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    One thing that you learn from older people who have been doing this for longer than you have is that when you are trying to do organising, unionising, etc you shouldn't write people off, you should at least try to talk to everyone, including those who seem reactionary on the surface, and you shouldn't lose your shit at the dumb shit they might say. And as the time passes you come to realize the value of that, as you see people change, and even the people who don't can sometimes do something good.

    This has its limits. If someone is legit fash or a massive sexist douchebag etc, then there is no point and it's better to just put them in their place. But I've seen first hand how some of the people you think "there is no way this dude will ever stop being a cucked dumbass" just figure shit out eventually. Some of them literally come to you and tell you "you know what, I've changed my mind on some things".

    One of these guys was recently talking to me and some other people. He often used "removed" (or at least the Greek version of the word) as a derogatory term not for homosexuals, but just nasty people in general (the word is still used like that a lot in Greek). Now this word kinda pisses me off, being bisexual and having had great difficulties dealing with that sort of stuff. But then the guy was also talking about how pissed he was at how homophobic some people still are. So I though, what the fuck is the point in telling him off, like, he's made progress and he is clearly on our side even on this issue, even if he expresses himself in a way that's not very good.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      try to talk to everyone, including those who seem reactionary on the surface, and you shouldn’t lose your shit at the dumb shit they might say. And as the time passes you come to realize the value of that, as you see people change, and even the people who don’t can sometimes do something good.

      This approach is needed because no one knows how to build socialism in the imperial core. We don't know where the next socialists are going to come from (i.e., whether they'll be former libs, former small-c conservatives, former apolitical folk, etc.) so -- like Jesus -- you have to spray that seed all over the place and see where it takes. We can adjust our strategy as we learn more, but for now we have to recognize that we don't have enough organizing experience to write off whole segments of the population.