I was banned from the discord and have had no problems posting or interacting with the mods here so far so the clean slate approach is definitely real if you interact in good faith imo.
Just going to edit to say I used exactly the same username, so people definitely would've known it was me.
Yeah I got banned from the discord for posting a stupid meme that I realized in retrospect hurt people. Just use an alt-email to re-register and you can easily rejoin the Discord server. I'm enjoying the community again in harmony while being more mindful of others.
Yeah there was even a everyone ping on the discord with a post saying moderation would be sketchy and make mistakes and catch comrades in the crossfire, and saying that chapo chat will be better, which is what I've experienced, I oviously can't speak for others.
The admins and moderators running the discord server are the same ones running this lemmy instance (with a few exceptions). Assuming you were interacting in good faith on discord, what makes you believe you won't encounter similar problems here with moderation?
Multiple downvotes within seconds of commenting. Good faith discussion, for sure.
Because as others have said, the rules were much more strict on discord than here. Also I believe to some extent I deserved my ban at the time. I managed to ping the mods by accident and post violent scenes/retoric twice, which is against the discord TOS but not against the rules on Lemmy. (Except pinging the mods for no reason, that's bad everywhere). Also I've had good and constructive interactions/discussions with the people that gave me warnings/banned me on the discord here in chapo chat, so it's going great so far for me.
Actually responding instead of instinctively downvoting, thanks.
I don't agree that what you described justifies a permanent ban. Many other communities use a punishment tier system, with cooldowns, that permit a reasonable level of moderation action per user.
The rules were strict on discord, sure, but they're relatively strict here as well (compared to the old subreddit). They've said they're planning to loosen the rules over time, but at the moment the same issues with users discussing in good faith being unnecessarily targeted is still relevant.
Apparently you can appeal a discord ban if you want, but I'm not going to bother as I spent wayy to much time on that thing and became really unproductive (in a personal sense, not a job or work or anything like that)
I know that for me and many other people, there was no reason or appeal instructions provided at the time of the ban. I had to run around attempting to contact several mods/admins (many of which ignored DMs or had them disabled) just to understand why I was banned in the first place and how to file an appeal.
The appeal process itself is also something that should be under reconsideration if democratization is a goal for this site. Sending an appeal form into the void with the hopes that one of the moderators that may have taken action against you would be able to impartially review the merit of your appeal is... not an ideal system.
Post of this is the lack of other options for mods. The devs are great, but are still building this place as we go. At the moment the only tool available is to ban. There is no mute feature which would be great.
The rules were strict on discord, sure, but they’re relatively strict here as well (compared to the old subreddit). They’ve said they’re planning to loosen the rules over time, but at the moment the same issues with users discussing in good faith being unnecessarily targeted is still relevant.
This is also my biggest problem. People who’ve been unfairly banned, who haven’t been involved with the brigading stuff, have been seeing some pretty heavy handed action and language from mods that is only forcing polarization.
Downvotes aren't violence, simply a reflection of majority consensus. Theres no karma here, downvoting isn't an insult, if something is downvoted it just means 'more people disagree than agree with this' and that's a thing that's obviously going to happen sometimes.
I was banned from the discord and have had no problems posting or interacting with the mods here so far so the clean slate approach is definitely real if you interact in good faith imo.
Just going to edit to say I used exactly the same username, so people definitely would've known it was me.
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i got banned from discord because i was stupid, but i have no issues with it. And discord is very hard to keep up with tbh.
Yeah I got banned from the discord for posting a stupid meme that I realized in retrospect hurt people. Just use an alt-email to re-register and you can easily rejoin the Discord server. I'm enjoying the community again in harmony while being more mindful of others.
Yeah there was even a everyone ping on the discord with a post saying moderation would be sketchy and make mistakes and catch comrades in the crossfire, and saying that chapo chat will be better, which is what I've experienced, I oviously can't speak for others.
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The admins and moderators running the discord server are the same ones running this lemmy instance (with a few exceptions). Assuming you were interacting in good faith on discord, what makes you believe you won't encounter similar problems here with moderation?
Multiple downvotes within seconds of commenting. Good faith discussion, for sure.
Because as others have said, the rules were much more strict on discord than here. Also I believe to some extent I deserved my ban at the time. I managed to ping the mods by accident and post violent scenes/retoric twice, which is against the discord TOS but not against the rules on Lemmy. (Except pinging the mods for no reason, that's bad everywhere). Also I've had good and constructive interactions/discussions with the people that gave me warnings/banned me on the discord here in chapo chat, so it's going great so far for me.
Actually responding instead of instinctively downvoting, thanks.
I don't agree that what you described justifies a permanent ban. Many other communities use a punishment tier system, with cooldowns, that permit a reasonable level of moderation action per user.
The rules were strict on discord, sure, but they're relatively strict here as well (compared to the old subreddit). They've said they're planning to loosen the rules over time, but at the moment the same issues with users discussing in good faith being unnecessarily targeted is still relevant.
Apparently you can appeal a discord ban if you want, but I'm not going to bother as I spent wayy to much time on that thing and became really unproductive (in a personal sense, not a job or work or anything like that)
I know that for me and many other people, there was no reason or appeal instructions provided at the time of the ban. I had to run around attempting to contact several mods/admins (many of which ignored DMs or had them disabled) just to understand why I was banned in the first place and how to file an appeal.
The appeal process itself is also something that should be under reconsideration if democratization is a goal for this site. Sending an appeal form into the void with the hopes that one of the moderators that may have taken action against you would be able to impartially review the merit of your appeal is... not an ideal system.
Yeah I agree with you there post ban I just waited for chapo chat to come online.
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Post of this is the lack of other options for mods. The devs are great, but are still building this place as we go. At the moment the only tool available is to ban. There is no mute feature which would be great.
This is also my biggest problem. People who’ve been unfairly banned, who haven’t been involved with the brigading stuff, have been seeing some pretty heavy handed action and language from mods that is only forcing polarization.
If you know anyone who wants unbanned and a clean slate, either get them to make a new account, or hit up the mods for an unban.
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Downvotes aren't violence, simply a reflection of majority consensus. Theres no karma here, downvoting isn't an insult, if something is downvoted it just means 'more people disagree than agree with this' and that's a thing that's obviously going to happen sometimes.
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eh i disagree
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hahah le epic