3:06-3:07 for HK

2:57-2:58, 3:10-3:11 for Euromaiden

  • Bobby_DROP_TABLES [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    Really sick of seeing people call the HK protests a psyop. Any self-proclaimed leftist needs to support the people of Hong Kong's struggle to have the freedom to murder their pregnant wives and then flee to Thailand without being extradited.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      Violence against women and fleeing to Thailand. No wonder this movement got so much support from mediocre white dudes.

    • TheGamingLuddite [none/use name]
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      11 months ago

      Such an absurd non-issue. China should have just sent in the PLA in to black bag that little cretin. The US can extradite people from fucking Romania, if China ever collapses it will be because it respected the rules too much.

    • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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      11 months ago

      Hi, could you explain the reference here? Sounds like something I might want in my back pocket if I have to talk about this topic in real life.

      • Babs [she/her]
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        11 months ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Poon_Hiu-wing

        Woman from Hong Kong is murdered by her boyfriend while they are in Taiwan, and her murderer flees back to Hong Kong. Authorities in Hong Kong don't have jurisdiction to charge him for the murder. They also didn't have an extradition treaty with Taiwan, nor to the mainland (he is from Shenzhen). So Hong Kong proposed a law that would allow them to extradite the murderer. This was cited as the main complaint of the protesters.

        The law never passed. HK did have jurisdiction to get him for stealing some of the victim's money and stuff, but he walked free like a year after murdering her.

        • VILenin [he/him]M
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          11 months ago

          Redditor’s thought process: “what if I murder my pregnant wife and China tries to arrest me? Egads, I must support this man!”

          • huf [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            temporarily embarrassed wife murderers

        • Joe@discuss.tchncs.de
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          11 months ago

          I vaguely remember this. Was the proposed law limited to in-person serious crimes like murder, or was it overly broad?

          I can't imagine that many of the protesters were against prosecuting a murderer, but there are laws, and then there are laws.

          • KarlBarqs [he/him, they/them]
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            11 months ago

            It was an extradition treaty. It would allow them to extradite criminals to Taiwan and the mainland, and vice versa. The protests were overwhelmingly white collar, for obvious reasons.

            • Babs [she/her]
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              11 months ago

              Taiwan, not Thailand. I have the strangest hunch these protests wouldn't have been promoted as much if they couldn't make it a Taiwan-Hong Kong-Mainland internal struggle.

  • culpritus [any]
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    11 months ago

    "Revolution of Dignity" is such an incredibly jingoistic phrase. I can't decide if it came out of some neolib focus group or just a room full of fascists.

    same-picture

    e: found some research about this, it was literally the nazi party of Ukraine that popularized the phrase

    https://hexbear.net/post/411806

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        • edge [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          If we can light up Donbass civilians, we can light up Russian soldiers.

    • buckykat [none/use name]
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      11 months ago

      some neolib focus group or just a room full of fascists

      what's the difference?

    • edge [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      I swear that name didn’t even come around until years afterward, that it was just called the Maidan or Euromaidan Revolution for a long time. But I don’t really know, maybe I missed it.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Maybe the propagandists learned their lesson after they hyped up the Arab Spring and that whole thing brought nothing but misery.

      • YouKnowIt [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        I've literally never heard it called that before this thread. I found one article calling it that a year later, then a bunch of "5 years later on retrospective" type articles and no source for who coined the phrase

        • VILenin [he/him]M
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          11 months ago

          “My handlers at the CIA” isn’t something journalists usually cite

          • YouKnowIt [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            I dug in a bit more because it was driving me crazy, turns out it was coined in some speech by a Ukrainian politician around when it happend, but like no one called it that for years.

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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      11 months ago

      They cut it right after it started moving to imply that it was about to run him over and that they cut it out. One of those, "point them in the direction and let them fill in the blanks" kinda deals.

          • zephyreks@programming.dev
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            11 months ago

            Turns out, a person can fit under a tank and not get crushed unless they decide to throw themselves at the tracks.

            Interesting, innit?

          • panopticon [comrade/them]
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            11 months ago

            Well I could be wrong, in which case I'm really putting the shit in shitposting, but it felt kind of sus-soviet to call attention to how big of an object a T-54's hull could roll over, in the context of a US army recruitment video featuring the Tiananmen Square Tank Man video. Now, a tank rolls over stuff with its treads, so the ground clearance doesn't necessarily imply anything about allegedly grinding student protestors into the pavement, but in this context I'm not sure what else it's supposed to imply. Maybe they should clarify.

            Edit: Ah, ok, I read their other comment. Guess they're not fedposting.....?

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    11 months ago

    This whole video is gibberish. It feels like a high budget version of one of those 4chan-inspired Anonymous V-for-Vendetta hype videos. I wonder how much money someone paid to get Sun Tzu quotes letterboxed over stock film real?

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      11 months ago

      4chan-inspired Anonymous V-for-Vendetta hype videos

      Very good chance that most of the Anonymous "we are legion" shit was the feds too.

      • krolden@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        Maybe not early on, but definitely after they got attention in the media and started to get arrested.

    • ZoomeristLeninist [comrade/them, she/her]
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      11 months ago

      big time. the slide into rabid fascism has been underway for a minute. im fearing its happening faster than i expected. ig it doesnt take long. only 15 years between Germany losing WW1 and electing hitler

      • ZoomeristLeninist [comrade/them, she/her]
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        11 months ago

        Germany is a pretty shit comparison bc they had a small empire but had massive imperial ambitions. amerika already has the massive empire. with amerika failing, international capital is panicking as it doesnt really have a viable candidate to pass the imperial torch to. this will probably result in western countries either going full fash w maximal internal oppression and colonial violence or begging to join BRICS, which in this case will have to turn into a military alliance, possibly losing India

        i really hope amerika keeps being aggressive toward Russia bc if Russia aligns with the west WW3 will be much more horrific

        • edge [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          join BRICS, which in this case will have to turn into a military alliance, possibly losing India

          The I is replaced with Ireland. The first operation is liberating the 6 counties. Obviously this would happen next year as data-revolutionary predicted.

  • Fuckass
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    10 months ago

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  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    11 months ago

    "Are we the baddies?"

    Somebody up there got frustrated with too many new recruits drinking their own kool-aid and wanted to make sure people know what they're signing up for lol.

  • immuredanchorite [he/him, any]
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    11 months ago

    lmao, the beginning sound is noted CIA spook GW Bush telling Gorby to tear down the Berlin Wall.. like.. Okay so they are admitting that that was a CIA project? Does that mean we can dispense with the idea that the eastern bloc fell on its own accord?

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    11 months ago

    This is really shit lol.

    So what, they take credit for a bunch of events we already know they were involved in. The actual ad is ultimately just bait of a variety of different things to drive social media discussion. The clown makeup, the cartoon that probably has some racist element and turning into a spook, it's all just bait to drive social media discussion and spread the ad.

    There's less of them than us. They're just a bunch of dweebs on laptops and discord, 8 hours a day with an hour for lunch. Just like this ukro psyops group war room.

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    The only thing I will give them is that they're more organised than we are when it comes to deploying themselves online. We have no fulltime revolutionaries performing online work, the only ones getting that money to do that work are doing it offline. What we have is a bunch of nerds doing whatever, whenever they feel like it, online, with motivation being a massively crucial factor in the quantity of what gets done and what doesn't. But we continue to get stronger at it.

  • blight [any]
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    11 months ago

    if this is real, using a horror theme for the video is actually a genius 4D chess move

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      They want edgy nihilistic junior ghouls. The advertising is targeted.

    • Joe@discuss.tchncs.de
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      11 months ago

      I can't find any direct linkage from their soc.mil page (today) to that Facebook or YT. It has been around a while though, so it probably is.

      Here is a reaction video from a year ago, where they make fun of it for misrepresenting psyops' job description in the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=opUsImaNbiE

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        https://m.youtube.com/@4thpsyopgroup697/videos

        It seems to be official nonetheless, since YT wouldn't allow for blatant impersonation of a US state entity (see "about")

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  • RedQuestionAsker2 [he/him, she/her]
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    11 months ago

    Wait, there are major powers who are attempting to secretly influence world events and set narratives...

    And they aren't transgender or Jewish!?

    (Also, like a ton of shit they do is on an easily accessible public record)

    • Fuckass
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      10 months ago

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    • Gadg8eer@lemmy.zip
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      11 months ago

      I mean, no shit? It's not that all conspiracy theories are true, but that the ones that have a grain of truth to them stick out more, like Project Mogul... the Soviet Nuclear Test Detector Balloon... or MK Ultra getting super fucked up in dispensing with morality just to get results only to not get results anyway. Or the SR-71 blackbird; apparently bored CIA agents plus people asking about mysterious weird-shaped cargo encased in wooden boxes (shipping dozens of them from the factory to the nearest airforce base) equals lying that it's a UFO for the lulz.

      My takes?

      Atlantis was a Bronze or Iron Age city-state on the Eye of Africa over 12000 years ago, the majority of the Pyramids of Giza were built not out of limestone bricks per-sé but out of bricks made by grinding up limestone and then pouring the limestone equivalent of concrete, and Tesla invented some sort of communication method that was employed by the US Army and Navy in the late 19th Century but is now common knowledge.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    There's a sinophobic federated liberal that's chanting "bot" to anyone he's arguing with, right now, on a different thread regarding Chinese current events. He's been doing that for over a day so far.

    I assume he'd see any such psyops as "patriots getting shit done" or however his treats would frame it, while dissent is only from "bots."

    Either he's an extraordinary liar and can't even maintain the lie long enough to stop arguing with "bots" or he has a definition of "bot" that he conjured from his own solipsism that is independent of what the rest of us would use.

    Also judging by his avatar picture, he's a weeb because of course he is. pathetic