I want to see if you actually know what you're talking about
Must read: https://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-complete-guide-us-government-role.html?m=1
Imho your comments here display the effectiveness of colour revolutions
Because there is usually a good reason to protest and the current gov is a bit shit and a rightest monarchy
However there was also legitimate reason to protest in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Hong Kong and Belarus
In the first 3 cases those movements were co-opted and their countries sent into death spirals. In the case of Libya, Libya will not even rise again even as a viable bourgeois nation for decades. This is after under Gadaffis leadership Libyans enjoyed the highest standard of living on the continent of Africa
Who is coopting the protests?
2 virulently antiChinese billionaires tied to Wallstreet finance and the Cia (Ned)
Thaksin was part of the Carlyle group and Prime Minister of Thailand in early 00s where he sent Thai troops to Iraq to please US master and set up black site cia torture camps
Why?
Because Thailand is shifting rapidly into Chinas sphere of influence. In this light we should view the contradiction mostly in the light of US imperialism wanting to contain China and keep its US military bases and black site torture camps in Thailand
Who is leading the protests?
Thai Lawyers for Human Rights which is a Cia funded organisation. Of course they would be as their name gave me a fuzzy feeling
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fgw5PX5Y0Ds/Xz1ayUSjEuI/AAAAAAAATmY/0AW-PiXddKQmEWPOQU43Tkq4hgT6vrLsACNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Quote_StudentProtesters_Unquote.jpg
Assembly of the Poor, claiming to represent Thailands rural poor is also Cia funded and their listed as a member of Neds website
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z3zv9XaARpQ/X0Hl2S9soFI/AAAAAAAATrI/ybAmSMbO8SsJGmEsyji228IHKT117UFVQCNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AOP_YouTube_ThaiPoorAct2.jpeg
The people trying to rewrite the Thai constitution are named The Internet Law Reform Dialogue (iLaw) whos primary source of income is you guessed it Cia (Ned)
If a foreign Ngo was trying to rewrite US constitution to allow said foreign country easier access to the US the US woild declare war. They sanctioned Russia over a few facebook ads barely anyone saw
The US does not care about Thailand or Thai people. If the US could send Thailand into a civil war like they did Libya, Syria or Ukraine they would do it without a seconds thought and the only though through their mind would be "fuck China".
That's all great
But no one in Thailand is happy with the current junta government. It's more than a bit shit. It's garbage.
"No one in Libya is happy with Gadaffi. He's more than a bit shit. He's garbage" - some Libyan protestor, circa 2011
I think a problem a lot of people have is that they can't imagine how worse things can get.
The NED would watch the entire country of Thailand burn (as they did so many South American countries/Middle east/Africa/Ukraine) if it meant hindering China for even a minute
Yeah well the Monarchy should pull its head out of its ass than. But they are to worried about being trad Thai.
Also what resources do they have that the USA wants?
It's not about resources it's about the Great Game
Thailand is buying Chinese not American military hardware, doing military exercises with Beijing and is a key partner in the BRI initiative with a China-Laos-Thailand-Malaysia-Singapore high-speed rail link that will only further cement these ties.
Which will inevitably mean at some point Thailand will kick out those US military bases and black site CIA torture camps
Thailand is little more than fair game for a proxy war for US against China
So where will this proxy war start?
Libya Syria Ukraine you have different cultures to go against each other pretty easily.
Where does it happen in Thailand?
Where does the proxy war start?
It already has - the 2 billionaires tied to Wallstreet finance and the "student led" protests funded by the CIA.
This is the same playbook CIA does since the first colour revolution in Hungary 1956. You saw the exact same thing happen in Hong Kong - a load of CIA/NED funded "student leaders" who use violence and rioting to further their agenda who then aim to incite police violence on the protestors which would then be used as propaganda to topple the regime
You want to see this in action look no further than TIannenmen protests which started because the CIA had a mole inside the Communist Party and Deng Xiao Peng was sick and student leader Chai Ling stating she won't go to the protests that day as she's hoping for the government to massacre the students
You the chinese are not worth my struggle you are not worth my sacrifice.
The students keep asking what shall we do next? I feel so sad. Becuase how can I tell them we are hoping for bloodshed? Because for the moment the government has no choice but to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eys. only then will they be united. How can I explain all this to my fellow students?
And what is truly sad is some students are working hard with the government to prevent it taking such measures. For the sake of their selfish interests they are trying to get us out of the square before the government becomes so desperate it takes action. If we allow the movement to collapse on its own then the government will be able to wipe out the leaders of the movement as well as those in the party and military
That's why I feel so sad I can't tell my fellow students straight out we must use our blood and lives to rise up. Of course the students will be willing but they are still such young children
Are you going to stay in the square yourself?
No I won't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5__ESiklA1A
Why didn't Chai Ling go to the protests and why weren't the Chinese worth her sacrifice? Because the US had already given her a green card
If the US could get their man into Thailand and keep relations pro US for a few years they'd call that a win. If they can't they'd be happy to see Thailand burnt to the ground like Libya, Syria or Ukraine
Either they'd consider a win
Hong Kong would be the most recent one which is following the exact same pattern as Thailand right now. Where student leaders were funded by CIA, were seen collaborating with US deep state people, funded in collaboration with billionaires like Jimmy Lai (who literally called for US and CIA intervention...yes he literally said CIA intervention lol) who were incredibly violent toward police and mainland Chinese people that showed patriotism to PRC or did such innocuous things as hold a Chinese flag and say that "China is one"
https://www.mintpressnews.com/hong-kong-protest-united-states-destabilize-china/261712/
Also Nicaragua
In early June, Nicaragua’s leading young activists went on a junket to Washington, DC, on the dime of the US government-funded right-wing advocacy group Freedom House. The Nicaraguan student leaders were there to beseech Donald Trump and other right-wing US government officials to help them in their fight against Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega.
A month before the student protesters’ meetings with ultra-conservative lawmakers in Washington, a publication funded by the US government’s regime change arm, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), bluntly asserted that organizations backed by the NED have spent years and millions of dollars “laying the groundwork for insurrection” in Nicaragua.
https://popularresistance.org/ned-boasts-of-laying-the-groundwork-for-nicaraguan-insurrection/
Once again. Hk sees it self differnt from China, so you can exploit that easily. And it still didn't lead to Anything becuase it was mostly peaceful
Thai people like certain aspects of the Monarchy. I guess it could get rowdy. But from students I don't know.
It's encouraging that you think Thai society has no rivets that the US can stick a crowbar in
The CIA has put their money where their mouth is and poured millions into destabilising Thai society so hopefully you're correct
the first colour revolution in Hungary 1956
dude........
Hungary 1956 was not nearly a colour revolution. No one of those kids wanted anything to do with capitalism. Rightists today still hold a grudge against the US because "they didn't come to help."
Yes it was - I can't believe how often I have to say this in left circles. It's like y'all motherfuckers read one trotskyist opportunist rag telling you "these people were the real communists against the evil baddie Soviets fighting for 'real' Socialism!" and go "yeah that sounds about right" meanwhile the bourgeois press confirmed decades ago what the Soviets and Enver Hoxha had been saying for half a century
Some of the rebels who took on the Soviet Union in the Hungarian uprising, 40 years ago this week, were trained by the British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS)
Some of the weapons used were American, and others almost certainly British. Mr Smith says MI6 and the CIA had buried arms caches in the woods around Prague and Budapest for use by "stay-behind" parties or fifth columnists in case of war.
The name of Mr Smith's main contact - a military officer working for MI6 - has been withheld under a D-notice. However, he recalled "picking up agents on the Hungarian border" to take them across in to the British-occupied zone of Austria in 1954. "We were taking them up into the mountains and giving them a sort of ... crash course. I would be told to pick somebody up from a street corner at a certain time of night in the pouring rain. Graz was our staging point. Then, after we'd trained them - explosives, weapons training - I used to take them back ... We were training the agents for the uprising."
In return, the British received information. Paul Gorka was one of a group of students recruited in the early 1950s to gather intelligence on Soviet activity in Hungary. "In due course we received coded messages from Vienna asking us for information about Russian troop movements ... We replied with information written in invisible ink in innocuous letters to special addresses."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/mi6-trained-rebels-to-fight-soviets-in-hungarian-revolt-1359599.html
Hungary was a fascist state for 25 years prior to Soviet occupation. The protests were quickly coopted by fascist elements who began marking doors of communists and jews for pogroms
https://espressostalinist.com/2011/11/29/the-fascist-hungarian-counterrevolution-of-1956/
Please read this book in full so I can stop being the lone voice in online left circles pointing out how fascist elements supported by Britain and US took over the movement
https://www.espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/the-truth-about-hungary.pdf
Boy is this a simplistic reading of hungarian history.
Hungary was a fascist state for 25 years prior to Soviet occupation.
True, a lot of communists were imprisoned that time, who were pardoned by Nagy, appointed by the Soviet Union, who the "coopted fascist rebels" wanted to get back into power.
"Some of the rebels who took on the Soviet Union in the Hungarian uprising, 40 years ago this week, were trained by the British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS)
Some of the weapons used were American, and others almost certainly British. Mr Smith says MI6 and the CIA had buried arms caches in the woods around Prague and Budapest for use by “stay-behind” parties or fifth columnists in case of war."
Yes, SOME of them were, but not all of them, not nearly the most of them and there was active resistance in the movement against fascistic elements.
Even the book you posted acknowledges that the reasons for the revolutions were legit FFS. The CIA never took over the movement and it was never an anticommunist movement in essence. It didn't matter however because the tanks came and murdered everyone indiscriminately.
Even the book you posted acknowledges that the reasons for the revolutions were legit FFS.
If you've read literally anything I've posted in this thread you'll see my take on Colour Revolutions - that they're very problematic as there's usually a legitimate reason to protest.
Doesn't detract from the fact that the Hungarian COlour Revolution was quickly coopted by fascistic elements armed and supported by UK and US
Yes, SOME of them were, but not all of them, not nearly the most of them and there was active resistance in the movement against fascistic elements.
Thats literally what a colour revolution is - taking over of an original movement.
it was never an anticommunist movement in essence.
Except for all the fascists marking the homes of the doors Communists and Jews during the protests when they thought they were gaining momentum and would topple the government there
It didn’t matter however because the tanks came and murdered everyone indiscriminately.
Too fucking right. Oh boo hoo you ended up on the side of counter revolution cos you couldn't discern the class forces at work and just wanted to build 'rEaL sOcIaLiSm" without the class struggle or struggle against imperialism? Get fucked
Bonus: "Not of an anticommunist nature" lol my arse. They lynched jews and communists, dragged them through the streets, spit on their bodies and burned pictures of Lenin and Stalin because "actually they were true Communists" and also stopped to have their picture taken with an American (CIA)
This "true" socialism sounds really cool and good. Also TIME magazine had them on their front cover as "freedom fighters" the same way they did for the Muhjadeen. I didn't realise TIME magazine were interested in promoting anti-Revisionist Communists. That's really cool and good I'll get a subscription to the beautiful anti-revisionist Communist TIME magazine
https://imgur.com/a/1wda0
https://imgur.com/a/kXzat
Me: The Hungarian revolution was far more complex than you think, there was constant infighting between the right wing elements who tried, but couldn't coopt the movement, and the left wing elements, who had legitimate grievances and while there were atrocities, the main object of the mass movement was not to overthrow communism, they explicitly stated that, the right wingers weren't even allowed in the meetings of the protesters, it's all well documented in local sources.
You, an intellectual Marxist theory reader: They were in time so they're bad *barfs a thirdhand source calling the "leader" of the revolution (hint: there wasn't one) a fascist despite he was actively pushing for socialist policies like pardoning communists jailed by the previous fascist state his predecessor couldn't be assed to do that, a fascist.
No it's pretty easy
It's literally land of free people. The previous king changed the name to promote the nationalistic pride in being the only country to not be colonized. I mean Japan was there in ww2 but people act like they where invited. I mean they allied with Japan during the war.
Their flag is red white and blue.
Do the mathYou really think a bunch of doughy wimpy students are going to lead to a Civil War? What national resource does Thailand have that the USA wants?
Why do you care so much about supporting a CIA funded protest movement
I've just seen a few grim taker knocking on doors memes. And that is funded by some democracy Ngo.
I have a ton of family in Thailand. The last king was beloved. People wanted his daughter the princess to be made queen but they kept it trad and brought in the coke head man whore prince who still lives in Germany while being the king of Thailand. Everyone knew protests would happen eventually.
have you read this
https://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-complete-guide-us-government-role.html
So which one do you support.
A monarchy led junta government
Or anti monarchy protests that are also in a round about way anti Chinese. Or hoping that they will be anti Chinese.
yes let me back the side that corrupt billionaire shitfuck Thaksin Shinawatra and the CIA are backing because there's anti-monarchy rhetoric
Okay so your taking the corrupt as fuck military side.
Its Thailand bro. The whole place is super corrupt and very nationalistic.
Okay so your[sic] taking the corrupt as fuck US imperialism side.
Its Chinatown Jake, as if that's a good reason to side with the fucking CIA
I'll take what my family is supporting since I have not lived there since the actual red shirt uprising drum thaksin.
You're a yellow shirt.
I’ll take what my family is supporting
really impressed with your critical thinking
Says the royalist.
Fucking monarchy tankie. Now I've seen it all
lol yes because I don't trust the CIA and a corrupt billionaire, I'm a monarchist. are you really this fucking dumb
Yes you are that dumb.
You got two sides to support. And your dumb ass is going with the yellow shirt royalist with their coke head corrupt billionaire king. I mean fuck dude. Does being a tankie make some one that stupid.
Its literally billionaire vs billionaire lol.
You do realize in the long run China is going to win that area no matter what right. It's their fucking back yard. Fuck, Thaksin is fucking Chinese along with the majority of business owners in Thailand.
You got two sides to support.
haha nope, I'm voting for Gloria La Riva
I mean do you have two sides to support or is it a shitty situation where you can say "both options are ethically impossible for me to support and I cannot predict which bad outcome will be worse".
Being stuck between a monarchist junta and a cia billionaire proxy war makes rocks and hard places look like pillowforts.
Just like non Americans watching the US election can say; "both parties are running imperialist candidates that will cause suffering abroad, neither is good for my country, my opinion doesn't help the americans or the people who might be affected by presidential warmongering".
I mean if "in the long run china is going to win that area" and at the moment US agencies are supporting a different group to counter who China supports, it seems like it will escalate to opose China's growing sphere of influence.
Those escalations from legitimate grievances and protests for democratic freedom are often pushed along by imperialists towards colour revolutions and then towards proxy wars. It's not always - and for the sake of the Thai people I hope it doesn't become that - but it's a possibility and I dont know if either side can be supported except for harm reduction purposes.
yeah those silly tankies, bringing up NED/CIA funding and the backing of a billionaire former PM exiled for corruption, or whatever. lol
Y’all be with the shits. I honestly did not understand what was happening in Thailand. The op said come on chapos bring it on you don’t know shit. And y’all came with the heat. I would still need to do my own research to understand, but y’all be super worldly. Inspiring.
Lol. I said explain your self. As in show me info. And they did. It doesn't change how I feel cuz I have some actual understanding of the country.
And I still don't think it's going to lead to what they think it might.
Peaceful protests are ignored. This will be no different.
If it gets some of the more hardcore Thais than maybe some Street fighting. Thailand is a country of coups. It's what they do.
Today's Cia and 1950s cias are very different things. Modern Cia is a joke
Like I said. Post ww2 Cia compared to now a days is not the same. Both your examples have been fucked with since the 50s
Uhhhhh we’ve been fucking with the whole world since the 50s. And we view China as our number one threat. Idk what you mean by the cia is not the same. They do all the same shit. They don’t need competent pigs. We have bases everywhere and ops who tell them what to do along with rogue private armies that carry out any mission the cia pays for.
What the fuck are you talking about, Libya literally had the highest standard of living in Africa until they got color revolution'd during the Obama administration. Syria is in ruins with millions displaced due to a CIA color revolution. What do you mean by the CIA not being what it used to be?
They didn't just get color revolution. We led military strikes into Libya. Not some lame hk protest scenario.
You can’t be this dense to think the military and cia don’t work in concert with each other. What do you mean by the cia ain’t what it used to be? Like the old grey horse?
The Cia isn't able to just Jakarta method people like they used to.
Look at Bolivia. Look at Venezuela. Look at Libya. They had to bring actual military campaigns to flip Libya. Look at hk etc etc.
What I'm saying is that the Cia just like the rest of America is not what it used to be, it's in decay. Either we are a dying empire with institutions filled with fat old dummies. Or we are still a power house that can destory a nation through soft power moves
That's what I'm getting at.
And why can’t both be true as you just demonstrated in you argument? It’s full of dip shits with a powerful public and private army.
They have all the world’s resources at their peril and still are highly ineffective, but with enough force they can eventually fuck some shit up and if they can’t figure out a way with the cia they’ll just start bombing you and it will always be justified to the people in this country. So yes it’s a failing empire that can destroy a nation through soft power moves. Don’t know when those two became mutually exclusive.
