Hungary 1956 was not nearly a colour revolution. No one of those kids wanted anything to do with capitalism. Rightists today still hold a grudge against the US because "they didn't come to help."
Yes it was - I can't believe how often I have to say this in left circles. It's like y'all motherfuckers read one trotskyist opportunist rag telling you "these people were the real communists against the evil baddie Soviets fighting for 'real' Socialism!" and go "yeah that sounds about right" meanwhile the bourgeois press confirmed decades ago what the Soviets and Enver Hoxha had been saying for half a century
Some of the rebels who took on the Soviet Union in the Hungarian uprising, 40 years ago this week, were trained by the British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS)
Some of the weapons used were American, and others almost certainly British. Mr Smith says MI6 and the CIA had buried arms caches in the woods around Prague and Budapest for use by "stay-behind" parties or fifth columnists in case of war.
The name of Mr Smith's main contact - a military officer working for MI6 - has been withheld under a D-notice. However, he recalled "picking up agents on the Hungarian border" to take them across in to the British-occupied zone of Austria in 1954. "We were taking them up into the mountains and giving them a sort of ... crash course. I would be told to pick somebody up from a street corner at a certain time of night in the pouring rain. Graz was our staging point. Then, after we'd trained them - explosives, weapons training - I used to take them back ... We were training the agents for the uprising."
In return, the British received information. Paul Gorka was one of a group of students recruited in the early 1950s to gather intelligence on Soviet activity in Hungary. "In due course we received coded messages from Vienna asking us for information about Russian troop movements ... We replied with information written in invisible ink in innocuous letters to special addresses."
Hungary was a fascist state for 25 years prior to Soviet occupation. The protests were quickly coopted by fascist elements who began marking doors of communists and jews for pogroms
Please read this book in full so I can stop being the lone voice in online left circles pointing out how fascist elements supported by Britain and US took over the movement
Boy is this a simplistic reading of hungarian history.
Hungary was a fascist state for 25 years prior to Soviet occupation.
True, a lot of communists were imprisoned that time, who were pardoned by Nagy, appointed by the Soviet Union, who the "coopted fascist rebels" wanted to get back into power.
"Some of the rebels who took on the Soviet Union in the Hungarian uprising, 40 years ago this week, were trained by the British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS)
Some of the weapons used were American, and others almost certainly British. Mr Smith says MI6 and the CIA had buried arms caches in the woods around Prague and Budapest for use by “stay-behind” parties or fifth columnists in case of war."
Yes, SOME of them were, but not all of them, not nearly the most of them and there was active resistance in the movement against fascistic elements.
Even the book you posted acknowledges that the reasons for the revolutions were legit FFS. The CIA never took over the movement and it was never an anticommunist movement in essence. It didn't matter however because the tanks came and murdered everyone indiscriminately.
Even the book you posted acknowledges that the reasons for the revolutions were legit FFS.
If you've read literally anything I've posted in this thread you'll see my take on Colour Revolutions - that they're very problematic as there's usually a legitimate reason to protest.
Doesn't detract from the fact that the Hungarian COlour Revolution was quickly coopted by fascistic elements armed and supported by UK and US
Yes, SOME of them were, but not all of them, not nearly the most of them and there was active resistance in the movement against fascistic elements.
Thats literally what a colour revolution is - taking over of an original movement.
it was never an anticommunist movement in essence.
Except for all the fascists marking the homes of the doors Communists and Jews during the protests when they thought they were gaining momentum and would topple the government there
It didn’t matter however because the tanks came and murdered everyone indiscriminately.
Too fucking right. Oh boo hoo you ended up on the side of counter revolution cos you couldn't discern the class forces at work and just wanted to build 'rEaL sOcIaLiSm" without the class struggle or struggle against imperialism? Get fucked
Bonus: "Not of an anticommunist nature" lol my arse. They lynched jews and communists, dragged them through the streets, spit on their bodies and burned pictures of Lenin and Stalin because "actually they were true Communists" and also stopped to have their picture taken with an American (CIA)
This "true" socialism sounds really cool and good. Also TIME magazine had them on their front cover as "freedom fighters" the same way they did for the Muhjadeen. I didn't realise TIME magazine were interested in promoting anti-Revisionist Communists. That's really cool and good I'll get a subscription to the beautiful anti-revisionist Communist TIME magazine
Me: The Hungarian revolution was far more complex than you think, there was constant infighting between the right wing elements who tried, but couldn't coopt the movement, and the left wing elements, who had legitimate grievances and while there were atrocities, the main object of the mass movement was not to overthrow communism, they explicitly stated that, the right wingers weren't even allowed in the meetings of the protesters, it's all well documented in local sources.
You, an intellectual Marxist theory reader: They were in time so they're bad *barfs a thirdhand source calling the "leader" of the revolution (hint: there wasn't one) a fascist despite he was actively pushing for socialist policies like pardoning communists jailed by the previous fascist state his predecessor couldn't be assed to do that, a fascist.
dude........
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Hungary 1956 was not nearly a colour revolution. No one of those kids wanted anything to do with capitalism. Rightists today still hold a grudge against the US because "they didn't come to help."
Yes it was - I can't believe how often I have to say this in left circles. It's like y'all motherfuckers read one trotskyist opportunist rag telling you "these people were the real communists against the evil baddie Soviets fighting for 'real' Socialism!" and go "yeah that sounds about right" meanwhile the bourgeois press confirmed decades ago what the Soviets and Enver Hoxha had been saying for half a century
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/mi6-trained-rebels-to-fight-soviets-in-hungarian-revolt-1359599.html
Hungary was a fascist state for 25 years prior to Soviet occupation. The protests were quickly coopted by fascist elements who began marking doors of communists and jews for pogroms
https://espressostalinist.com/2011/11/29/the-fascist-hungarian-counterrevolution-of-1956/
Please read this book in full so I can stop being the lone voice in online left circles pointing out how fascist elements supported by Britain and US took over the movement
https://www.espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/the-truth-about-hungary.pdf
Boy is this a simplistic reading of hungarian history.
True, a lot of communists were imprisoned that time, who were pardoned by Nagy, appointed by the Soviet Union, who the "coopted fascist rebels" wanted to get back into power.
"Some of the rebels who took on the Soviet Union in the Hungarian uprising, 40 years ago this week, were trained by the British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS)
Some of the weapons used were American, and others almost certainly British. Mr Smith says MI6 and the CIA had buried arms caches in the woods around Prague and Budapest for use by “stay-behind” parties or fifth columnists in case of war."
Yes, SOME of them were, but not all of them, not nearly the most of them and there was active resistance in the movement against fascistic elements.
Even the book you posted acknowledges that the reasons for the revolutions were legit FFS. The CIA never took over the movement and it was never an anticommunist movement in essence. It didn't matter however because the tanks came and murdered everyone indiscriminately.
If you've read literally anything I've posted in this thread you'll see my take on Colour Revolutions - that they're very problematic as there's usually a legitimate reason to protest.
Doesn't detract from the fact that the Hungarian COlour Revolution was quickly coopted by fascistic elements armed and supported by UK and US
Thats literally what a colour revolution is - taking over of an original movement.
Except for all the fascists marking the homes of the doors Communists and Jews during the protests when they thought they were gaining momentum and would topple the government there
Too fucking right. Oh boo hoo you ended up on the side of counter revolution cos you couldn't discern the class forces at work and just wanted to build 'rEaL sOcIaLiSm" without the class struggle or struggle against imperialism? Get fucked
Bonus: "Not of an anticommunist nature" lol my arse. They lynched jews and communists, dragged them through the streets, spit on their bodies and burned pictures of Lenin and Stalin because "actually they were true Communists" and also stopped to have their picture taken with an American (CIA)
This "true" socialism sounds really cool and good. Also TIME magazine had them on their front cover as "freedom fighters" the same way they did for the Muhjadeen. I didn't realise TIME magazine were interested in promoting anti-Revisionist Communists. That's really cool and good I'll get a subscription to the beautiful anti-revisionist Communist TIME magazine
https://imgur.com/a/1wda0
https://imgur.com/a/kXzat
Me: The Hungarian revolution was far more complex than you think, there was constant infighting between the right wing elements who tried, but couldn't coopt the movement, and the left wing elements, who had legitimate grievances and while there were atrocities, the main object of the mass movement was not to overthrow communism, they explicitly stated that, the right wingers weren't even allowed in the meetings of the protesters, it's all well documented in local sources.
You, an intellectual Marxist theory reader: They were in time so they're bad *barfs a thirdhand source calling the "leader" of the revolution (hint: there wasn't one) a fascist despite he was actively pushing for socialist policies like pardoning communists jailed by the previous fascist state his predecessor couldn't be assed to do that, a fascist.
lol "didnt come to help" their pogroms, boo hoo.
I didn't say they're right.
Wording kinda got me, i feel ya now.