"I'm all about personal freedom, I'm sick of BLM and white protesters thinking they represent me, blah blah"

Like what are the counters to minorities holding up swastikas?

  • hazefoley [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Wh*te people shouldn't be using these terms on POC

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        4 years ago

        "Uncle Tom" is a critique of the actions of black people relative to other black people. White people, as a class, are the oppressors of black people and cannot legitimately judge the behavior of black people towards one another. White people, as oppressors, should not critique the behavior of black people, or at least not using extremely charged terms like "Uncle Tom" or "House N*"

        Some background context

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom

        Also this extremly based criticism of the novel;

        "Uncle Tom's character is sketched with great power and rare religious perception. It triumphantly exemplifies the nature, tendency, and results of Christian non-resistance. We are curious to know whether Mrs. Stowe is a believer in the duty of non-resistance for the White man, under all possible outrage and peril, as for the Black man ... [For whites in parallel circumstances, it is often said] Talk not of overcoming evil with good—it is madness! Talk not of peacefully submitting to chains and stripes—it is base servility! Talk not of servants being obedient to their masters—let the blood of tyrants flow! How is this to be explained or reconciled? Is there one law of submission and non-resistance for the Black man, and another of rebellion and conflict for the white man? When it is the whites who are trodden in the dust, does Christ justify them in taking up arms to vindicate their rights? And when it is the blacks who are thus treated, does Christ require them to be patient, harmless, long-suffering, and forgiving? Are there two Christs?"

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    4 years ago

    I personally prefer Graham crackers, I called my uncle that once, and he threw his keys at my head, works wonders

    • the_river_cass [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      oreo, banana, and coconut are old classics but I strongly recommend not using them if you're white.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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        4 years ago

        Yes absolutely, Salted crackers need not apply, god help me if I catch any of these Anglo-Saxons on this site saying that shit, I will post SO hard

  • lvysaur [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Study about non-white Trumpers https://hexbear.net/post/40822
    Basically they unconsciously identify as white. If they're mixed/Latino, they even consciuosly identify as white.

  • lolhope [any,none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Don't call POC a uncle tom or anything similar if your not black, ultra cringe. I think the only answer is to publicize the amount of racism and hate crimes in these groups, even my conservative af black grandfather can't convince himself to support the modern republican party. (Even though not much has changed really over time, I think the increased media attention on murders by white supremacists can actually make some POC more open to farther left politics.)

    Unfortunately though, if there is a niche for black conservatives (Which there is, having a few black proud boys greatly strengthens the legitimacy of their political influence ) there will always be those who are willing to fill that niche, whether its a form of self preservation by becoming one of them or they truly believe in fascist principles, your energy is far better off spent converting people who actually want the world to get better.

  • LangdonAlger [any]
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    4 years ago

    I don't know about other cities, but Rose City Antifa follows specific Proud Boys and details their neo-nazi recruiting, history, and affiliations; groups like PB and PP run cover and plausible deniability for the actual white supremacist machinations that happen behind the scenes.

  • MoralisticCommunist [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    IMHO the most accurate terms to call poc white supremacists are bootlickers and white worshippers

  • LatheOfLeavenedBread [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    This shouldn't surprise or startle you. There were Jewish members of the Nazi party. They eventually got purged of course, but they believed in it whole heartedly. Various ostensibly muslim govs in the middle east support Trump and so too do Hindu nationalists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      There's a broad alliance right now between European Neo-Nazis, American Evangelical Neo-Nazis, and Israeli Likudniks. The Europeans want Jewish people out of Europe, the Evangelicals want all Jewish people to go to Israel so their death god can murder all their enemies and end the world, and the Likudnik Zionists want to force all Jewish people to be reliant on Israel as the only safe place they can exist to increase Likuds power and influence.

      It's about as unholy of an unholy alliance as you can get, but three parties with three wildly different end goals are all served by the same arrangement.

    • AbolishAmerikkka [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      This is good. It means class is starting to come to the fore in terms of the main social division instead of race.

      By the time neoliberalism has run its course, all of the divisions that create race as the primary fault line in society will be blurred and class can come to be seen more clearly as the primary fault line, allowing multi-racial working class collaboration and organizing to get easier and easier.

  • DickFuckarelli [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I don't know what you call them but it's nothing new. There were blacks and off-whites who ran with White Aryan Resistance and Chicago Area Skinheads. This is par for course. Just because Nazis have eschewed the skinhead moniker doesn't make them any less the same bullshit they were before. They won't deny anyone into the club as long as they're willing to scapegoat with the gang.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    White Supremacy somehow became intersectional in 2020.

    The real answer is that Whiteness has always been an extremely flexible social construct that is used to weaponize violence against an out group. Who is and isn't White has changed dramatically over the last four hundred years, with groups being included as "White" based on the needs of the ruling powers at any given moment. "White" varies wildly from place to place and culture to culture. There are "White" people in Jamaica who would be black in America, "White" people in India who would be considered Indian in America. Famously Italians became "White" in the 60s, Catholics were only grudginly White before that.

    The Proud Boys can have some token mixed-race and dark skinned people included in "White" because it's convenient and gives them the numbers they need to enforce racial, gender, and economic violence.

    It's worth remembering that even the Nazis felt that the US's "One Drop" rule, where "One Drop" of African blood made someone legally black, was too harsh.

  • SerLava [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Like what are the counters to minorities holding up swastikas?

    Same thing we do to every Nazi, Pinky. Try to punch them in the mouth!