• harc@szmer.info
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    14 hours ago

    It's different outlets as well, you see. PBS doesn't have a material about the most recent attack, but pretty much every recent material they have is negative for Israel, two straight out discussing genocide. Which the Russians also attempt to commit against Ukrainians denying them their right for self--determination, my dear Russian friend.

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      8 hours ago

      war is not the same as genocide, Russia has deliberately avoided hitting civilian targets and allowed evacuations. More civilians killed by Israel in a month than by Russia in a much broader war over 3 years. Israel are purposeful genocidal child killers. Russians are professionally prosecuting a conventional war.

      • harc@szmer.info
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        6 hours ago

        war is not the same as genocide, Russia has deliberately avoided hitting civilian targets and allowed evacuations.

        According to whom, Russia Today?

        More civilians killed by Israel in a month than by Russia in a much broader war over 3 years

        Source for this stat please, cuz just from what I'm seeing that's such an absurd lie I'm amazed you actually try to push it.

        Israel are purposeful genocidal child killers

        True.

        Russians are professionally prosecuting a conventional war.

        https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/42094 - using open channel cheap radios and getting slaughtered or https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/42053 using taxis to evacuate the wounded? That's a Russian mil blogger in a span of few days. There's thousands of examples like that if you just pull your head out of your ass and actually read anything else than propaganda. Seriously, even just read the Russian millblogers directly. Russian soldiers are mistreated to such a degree that it is genuinely sad to hear it. They are as much hated for their crimes as they are despised for their competency with their utterly criminal leadership.
        Browse though some of this; https://mastodon.social/@ChrisO_wiki - some sources I can easily accept as likely western propaganda, but most is sourced from Russian channels directly. Have fun reading about the professionalism of Russian army.

        Oh, you've seen a Russian generals take on the whole Syrian affair? https://video.echelon.pl/w/mmbpbaAADwnu7K1tA7iGnv

    • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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      14 hours ago

      denying them their right for self--determination

      You mean Obomba and then-VP Joe Bellend at the end of 2013 denied Ukraine the right to elect their own president

      • harc@szmer.info
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        13 hours ago

        Yeah, the next was was air dropped, and so the next one. And neither caused anywhere near the same outrage as the russian puppet with his golden shitter and a party train. Wonder how could that be explained.

        • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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          11 hours ago

          You don't have right wing media funded by western billionaires driving the temperature constantly upwards in your country?

          • harc@szmer.info
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            10 hours ago

            Our conservative right wing media was mostly funded by our Kremlin-aligned government for most of the last decade, and of course they did. A Russian influence agent is running a Rwanda style hate radio/tv fundamentalist catholic empire here as well for that very reason. The neo-con/"liberal" media are western funded and mostly busy with trying to get their guys into power in a classic bi-partisan manner. But what does that change for Ukrainian politics? Ukrainians are supported by most of the nation in spite of political divides, even the fascist nationalists had to claim they are supporting refugees not to fall out of favor.

            • ferristriangle [he/him]
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              8 hours ago

              Kremlin-aligned government

              Me when I want to make having completely normal relations with a directly neighboring country sound sinister, when everyone knows that a Ukraine with true self determination obviously welcomes an administration installed by a US backed coup in order to use the country as a forward outpost/cannon fodder in their ceaseless aggression and military encirclement of their geopolitical targets.

              • harc@szmer.info
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                7 hours ago

                The only part of Russia Poland neighbors is a military base enclave. And your "everyone" is your sect that will attack any division from your firmly held beliefs particularly one asking for evidence as showcased here over and over.

                Oh and the alignment meant was mostly in authoritarian control over media, judiciary, level of corruption, blocking any public hearings of new laws, supercharging the parliamentary process to stifle opposition or any discussion of new law, unprecedented (since the old regime collapse) usage of surveillance against opposition, usage of far right paramilitary groups against mass feminist protests and so on. You know policies more popular in Moscow than anywhere else.
                Might be the reason why Kremlin supports far-right parties all over Europe and in US, and you people are willful enablers of that.

                • ferristriangle [he/him]
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                  7 hours ago

                  You are either very credulous or intentionally engaging in bad faith, and I don't much care to figure out which

                  • harc@szmer.info
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                    6 hours ago

                    Cheers, learned a new word. Love the western well educated leftists come to explain the world to us stupid Slavs. Thanks!

                    Or you missed clear evidence, admissions and so on of Russia sponsoring Le Pen, AFD, Austrian or US fascists? Like, this stuff is public, there's a ton of sources. Proving the case for their infiltration of the PiS party would be harder, since it's investigative jurno books in Polish mostly.

        • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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          11 hours ago

          Well it's explained very easily.

          Double standards, white supremacy, western chauvinism, the us-foreign-policy

          Major Western media outlets were hyperventilating over the war in Ukraine being fought against a "developed Western nation" with it not being a "Middle Eastern country". This was literally verbatim on major outlets and I personally saw the fascistic rhetoric play out against the refugees fleeing Obomba's drones from 10 years ago, in contrast.

          Or take the Nordstream gas pipeline bombings 2 years ago. Once it was figured out that AmeriKKKans blew up the pipelines, it was swept under the rug. Had Russia been the culprit, people (especially here in Estonia) would be screaming about it nonstop still. BTW, my energy/communal fees are literally like €70 higher because of this.

          The people who were fanatically chanting "Slava Ukraini" are the exact same people recording themselves blowing up children and apartment towers in Gaza with their iPhone 15 Pro Max, while also making thinly-veiled (or even open) bomb threats over "the hostages".

          Oh and "Slava Ukraini" is in a semi-literal way written with the blood of Palestinian children.

          Death to AmeriKKKa

          • SoyViking [he/him]
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            10 hours ago

            I remember how everyone in my country who have opinions for a living were clutching their pearls saying "war in Europe" as if it was orders of magnitude worse than war everywhere else.

            • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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              11 hours ago

              Oh really? I can't imagine Ukraine having the means to sabotage it, given the location being near Poland. Meanwhile Bellend (and the US in general) had very clear motives and the means to sabotage it so the EU would be forced to buy much more expensive LNG from AmeriKKKans.

              Either way, it's not hard to see why there's no outrage over the fact.

              • harc@szmer.info
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                11 hours ago

                Actually Poland and Ukraine had a much clearer motive, the only other piplines cross there. Also here you have Russian generals take on the issue: https://video.echelon.pl/videos/watch/a4c80ebc-8f70-40c8-85a4-51bc794a8487

          • harc@szmer.info
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            11 hours ago

            Major Western media outlets were

            Dont care

            Once it was figured out that AmeriKKKans blew up the pipelines, it was swept under the rug.

            Last ive seen most likely Ukrainians operating out of Poland unbotherd by Polish services, as its a shared strategic objective for both countries. BTW you do know that Nordstream2 was turned off months earlier by Russia to blackmail Germany?

            The people who were fanatically chanting

            The what? Its start overstreached but finishes so absurd I wont even attempt any logic.

            Death to AmeriKKKa

            This I could support. Also death to Russia and every other imperialism (incl European and Chinese).

              • harc@szmer.info
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                11 hours ago

                There's litterally nothing you could do to lower my opinion of western leftiests anymore, I come into these discussions knowing this is the top level of an argument you could master. Fucking imperialist scum.

                • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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                  11 hours ago

                  Why the fuck would anyone care what your opinion is? "Don't care"

                  Why do these pigeon playing chess assholes always think their opinion is so important that everyone has to fucking tap dance for them?

                  • harc@szmer.info
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                    10 hours ago

                    And yet the best the crowd of you could master is replaying cheap propaganda straight of RT and freaking out when its questioned or any scrutiny is applied.

                    • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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                      10 hours ago

                      You should just shut up and go away now. You already flipped the chessboard. Now you want to act like you're still a serious person worth taking seriously in this serious conversation? It's buffoonish.

                      • harc@szmer.info
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                        9 hours ago

                        So where are the pics of the 10 year of arty barrage over Donbas? Have fun finding them.

                  • harc@szmer.info
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                    11 hours ago

                    Oh yeah, give me a few more of this comrade, your praxis is so in line with the party.

                    Fucking western leftists. Single guy with a gun achived more for class war in few days then you shits over last 50 years. How does that feel?

                    • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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                      10 hours ago

                      My homeboys took down a fascist Apartheid ethnostate 30 years ago, but pop off ig

                      I also helped contribute to the IDF and Pissad getting their networks disrupted, forcing them to spend tens of thousands each month for network security. Who knows, maybe me and a bunch of mates vaporising the IDF's internal DNS helped a Palestinian escape to South Africa and/or some skid getting blasted in the arse by a Yassin-105.

                      And since you asked so nicely, PIGPOOPBALLS pigpoop PIGPOOPBALLS pigpoop PIGPOOPBALLS pigpoop

                      • harc@szmer.info
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                        10 hours ago

                        Yeah forgot to add your a Navy seal sniper. Love the tales of you exploits against one of the most fucked up and advanced APT's, tell us more. Greets from Warsaw Hackerspace scriptie wannabe.

                        • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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                          10 hours ago

                          The neat part is we didn't need scripts to 9/11 the piSSraeli military servers, lmfao.

                          Also I'm not a Navy Seal sniper. I'm actually Juba.

                          Show

                            • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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                              10 hours ago

                              You know you asked some hours ago as to why there was no outrage over Obomba overthrowing Ukraine a decade ago, yet people in the street over Russia going to war? I provided an explanation actually, even with the double standards present. You responded with "don't care", which is certainly telling to say the least.

                              countdown

                              • harc@szmer.info
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                                9 hours ago

                                Maybe you better re-read what you wrote, and what the actual question was. Have fun, I'm off.

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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      14 hours ago

      If that's what genocide is, then it's good to know you support Ukraine's genocide in the Donbas Republics, or America's genocide of Ukraine. Don't forget, we did the coup, we did the union house massacre, we overturned the election, we installed the nazis who are kidnapping people off the streets at gunpoint. We destroyed Ukraine's self-determination to turn them into an unwilling suicide bomb against Russia.

      My dear Russian friend

      Your brain is fully cooked by nationalist ideology and the desire to live in a conspiracy thriller movie

      • harc@szmer.info
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        13 hours ago

        Your brain is fully cooked by nationalist ideology and the desire to live in a conspiracy thriller movie

        Posters IRL name is Dimitry, doesn't sound like your typical native KKKanadian.

      • harc@szmer.info
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        13 hours ago

        Yeah now honestly the union house masacre of two thing, how does that compare to daily russian bombardment of civi targets?

        • AmericaDelendaEst [comrade/them]
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          11 hours ago

          how does that compare to daily russian bombardment of civi targets?

          How does that compare to Ukraine constantly shelling the donbas for the last 10 years? Denying Russian Ukrainians their pensions? Literally engaging in genocide by making use of Russian illegal and shit like that?

          • harc@szmer.info
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            11 hours ago

            Have you seen pictures of Bakhmut after half a year of battle? How was anything still standing in Donbas after supposably 10 years of bombardment? This is such a deeply absurd propaganda point, how could anyone fall for that?

              • harc@szmer.info
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                11 hours ago

                Pull up any random picture of Donbas and Bakhmut right now and tell me if you spot a difference.

                • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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                  10 hours ago

                  Why? Your point is a red herring either way. The scale of destruction when two nation states fight a dug in war is different from a nation state suppressing a regional separatist movement? Premise granted. So?

                  Just let me know when we can go back to the original argument

                  • harc@szmer.info
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                    10 hours ago

                    You're claiming 10 years of bombardment. That should somehow show, no?

                    What was your original point again? Ukr massive brutal arty fires that leave no trace, they fact that... they did not pay pensions to people in territories occupied by Russia? Or the bullshit about Russian being illegal, which it is not?

                    Oh no, I think it was your argument that the death of two shitheads at the hands of other nationalist shitheads justifies this war, and daily civilian death from Rus arty. Sure, sounds like any reasonable argument from me could help here...

                    • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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                      10 hours ago

                      Do you think you're a wizard or something? You can just erase history by being smug enough?

                      What exactly are you arguing? That the war never happened? Idiot clown.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas There. One of the few times a wikipedia link actually accomplishes something.

                      Delete your account NATO shill

                          • harc@szmer.info
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                            7 hours ago

                            Found them!

                            *removed externally hosted image* *removed externally hosted image*

                            Oh no, sorry, that's Russias work few kilometers north. So what about any evidence? You guys are just a cult aren't you? You don't even have anything to use as a proof other than a lie you've heard so many times you believed it?

                            • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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                              6 hours ago

                              OAS are liars? They're your guys, western stooges - and even they admit there were tens of thousands of ceasefire violations with explosive ordinance against Donetsk

                              • harc@szmer.info
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                                6 hours ago

                                Told you, I'm not into your sect's lore, you have to drop a link or I've no idea what you're talking about. And still if there were thousands of rounds, it should be very clearly visible wouldn't it? Why cant any of you produce a single image that would showcase it like the one above?

        • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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          12 hours ago

          Notice how you say "civic targets" to imply bombing civillians like we and our allies do, when what you're actually talking about is striking power stations? I know that's what you actually mean, because if you or anyone in the capitalist propaganda sphere had evidence of "daily russian bombardment" of civillians, we would never hear the end of it. This is a weak deflection with no weight behind it.

          Since you definitely truly care about human life, what do you think about the US-backed nazi junta's 8 years of bombings and terror raids targeted specifically at civillians? Their own people too, which I hear is apparently extra evil in the eyes of liberals who weigh morality by the fiction of statehood. Seems like the kind of thing that should have a more self-aware person clamoring for regime change there, too. But then, you're literally lying for nazis right now. There's no bar too low for you to ooze under.

          • harc@szmer.info
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            11 hours ago

            Mate there's a daily stream of bombed out housing blocks, supermarkets, hospitals and markets. Just do a fast search, or check r/Ukraine if you need to.

              • harc@szmer.info
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                11 hours ago

                Tell me, why would >>Russian citizens<< stay in Donbas under this constant bombardment if they could anytime move say 50km and be out of range of anything Ukraine had untill 2-3 years ago? They heroically die for motherlands propaganda machine or their country not only wouldent protect nor would allow them to move?

                People in Gaza figured out if the Israeli genocidal state is bombing them it makes sense to run. But there's not much territory there to hide. Russia on the other hand does seem to have... a bit more to get out of range why not offer it at least to the willing? Why no satellite evidence, especially compared to how Bakhmut or Mauriopol looked after a few months of Russian operations? You ever attempt to reality check what you believe, even if its with the best intentions?

                • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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                  4 hours ago

                  These were Ukrainian citizens who spoke Russian and lived in Ukraine all their lives, and before that the USSR. Why wouldn’t they move? Because their grandparents fought the demons from the west and so will they, because they are brave and don’t just accept ethnic cleansing but fight back.

                  Every generation a new batch of swastika wearing fascist westerners invade Russia, you don’t think they are ready for your shit?

                  • harc@szmer.info
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                    5 hours ago

                    All I'm saying is if they were bombed, they could easily escape it, or Russia could easily destroy to guns used, since Ukr didn't have any serious long range artillery until recently. So either Russia was unwilling, or the people did not feel threatened or something is off here.

                    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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                      4 hours ago

                      There are millions of Ukrainian citizens who speak Russian and were persecuted. You are saying “why didn’t Russia just accept massive population transfers and millions of refugees”? Ukraine was attempting ethnic cleansing of its own citizens. Why should this be accepted, an illegitimate coup government driving millions from their homes?

                      You think it’s fine because you are a Russophobic fascist as I have said. You don’t care about people if they speak Russian you think they deserve to die of be driven from their homes, you have the same attitude Americans do about Palestinians.

                • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                  10 hours ago

                  What I'm getting from your disjointed screed is that you're implying that the Donbas shelling is a hoax. You nazi pieces of shit will say anything

                    • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                      9 hours ago

                      drunk hobos

                      Ah, so the "well known antifa organizer" is doing a "like homeless people, I do not respect you as a human being" thing. Lovely.

                      • harc@szmer.info
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                        7 hours ago

                        Oh no just dont report me to the authorities, please!

                        *removed externally hosted image*

                        lold. Fucken misserable bootlickers. Why cant you just come up with clear visual evidence? Come on, 10 years of destruction and genocide over artillery, that has to leave a massive mark like you know the sort of these images of Marinka:

                        *removed externally hosted image* *removed externally hosted image*

                        As destroyed by Russia. So if this stuff documented and possible to show is not genocide of Ukrainians, but there was a genocide of... russian-speaking Ukrainians in one particular area - whers the proof?

                        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                          6 hours ago

                          There is no way you are actually this ignorant, so you're clearly just full of shit.

                          • harc@szmer.info
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                            6 hours ago

                            So... no evidence still? You know you should try to actually prove a point not only demand someone to accept it so such an accusation will work?