Do we need to die for this to happen? 
Can't make fire underwater, dipshit octopuses can't even reach the bronze age
Anyone read the Children if Time trilogy? I don’t wanna ruin too much but there’s civilization of octopuses that communicate through a combination of strobing skin patterns and interpretative dance and every single one of them is an artist. It’s great.
If octopus is so smart why come it can't play Elden Ring?
So, H. P. Lovecraft was always right: Cthulhu will rule through human demising.
It's real sad to me how all the other intelligent lifeforms on this planet are biologically limited in one way or another. Rats? Live a few years. Octopi? Live a few years. Dolphins? The fuck they gonna do with those flippers? Ravens? Ditto, but wings. They can't even masturbate. Humans hit the evolutionary jackpot.
I think the raven's bigger problem is that they are just too weak. Humans aren't very strong by animal standards but we are strong enough to break wood and rocks. How would a raven ever get past the stone age. You'd need an entire flock of ravens with stone axes to fell a tree.
To be fair, I feel like ravens would probably need a lot less wood than humans do, so branches & young trees would likely suffice.
Idk. Dolphins do sex for pleasure and find "toys" to masturbate with and Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy said they'd survive getting off the planet before it's destruction. They did try to warn us.
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Dolphins do sex for pleasure and find "toys" to masturbate with
I, uh. Think there's a word for what they do to their "toys", and it isn't masturbation.
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Whenever I read an article like this or about the probability of extraterrestrial civilization, I think there is the enormously hubristic assumption that “technological civilization” is, from an evolutionary perspective, a long-term success strategy.
Like, behaviorally modern humans are maybe 100,000 years old, the epoch in humans actually do enough stuff in the world to be force relevant to climate and biodiversity is maybe 5-10,000 years.
Maybe the answer to the Fermi paradox is obvious and maybe being a shark who swims and eat fish is an evolutionarily superior pattern, technologically civilized societies are evidentially doomed by the observation made in the Fermi paradox.
Yeah if we accept that at the very base the only criteria for success in a living organism is propagation then bacteria are by far the most successful. I personally agree and think sapient life is an aberration.
what about the elephants?? they got brains and those cool trunks
True, no opposable thumbs, though. Perhaps they could develop some kind of written language, but I don't think it'd be nearly as easy as it is for us and I doubt they'd be able to do much with complex tools.
There are sharks they’ve found that are 400 years old. I’m telling you, when sharks get larger brains and opposable thumbs, humans are done for.
Greenland sharks reach sexual maturity after 150 years. So it’s going to take a long ass time for evolution to do it’s thing.
Then why aren't they doing it now? Oh, do you need humans to die out first? Lame excuse. More like Fraudcopuses!
Do we need to die for this to happen?
No, Lus...
If socialist and ecological policies are global, we can co-exist. Key word is on the if.
If octopuses can gain sentience and create underwater civilizations, maybe there’s some hope for sharks as well?
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