*advancing her career
https://bsky.app/profile/aoc.bsky.social/post/3ldhxclo4wk2c
This is about AOC losing her bid for the Oversight committee to a geriatric Dem lifer. Sure she has systematically shredded any last bit of credibility with her triangulation, but hey, at least all the 5D polítical chess is paying off! She's changing the system from the inside! It's working this time!
Girl, you abandoned any pretense of doing working-class mass politics when you decided to do insider politics! Why are you tweeting like Bernie Sanders circa 2012? There's no we! There's no mass movement behind you! It's just NYC DSA and some Warren libs (but I repeat myself)
No, both are fucking horrible systems. Yes, mathematically, but for very different reasons. If you want to learn, look into distributed systems vs centralized systems. there is a reason comrade communists always fail into authoritarian dictatorships. now maybe you like that style of governance. thats a you thing. not an everyone thing.
If you want to learn why capitalism is mathematically bad well that's even simpler. simple feedback systems analysis will do it. its why they continuously fail into oligarchies.
What do you think math is?
'Both the system that massively improves people's standards of living (including by providing them with guaranteed housing, universal healthcare, elimination of illiteracy, 60% improvements in life expectancy within the first 30 years, etc.) even without a complete achievement of its goals, and the system that enslaves and near-enslaves the vast majority of people, both at home and elsewhere are equally bad'.
Yeah, nah. You are just being silly. You can't even provide any concrete criticism of communism and/or communist states. Just regurgitating baseless memes that your education in history began and ended with.
lol. child. neither governance model can achieve those goals. I can literally pick every single one of those metrics and a quick search will debunk claims to each one for both systems. some are trivially debunked. for example: you can't eliminate illiteracy. there is a little thing called genetic defects, and brain damage which both can result in a person literally becoming incapable of literacy. but you know that'd require you having more than a 5 graders level of knowledge of the world.
So, yes. both systems are equally bad. communism requires a slave class just as much as capitalism does.
Before you get banned I need you to acknowledge how bad this argument is. This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read and I need to know you are aware of what you wrote.
Unlike you, I have already finished education, and I did so a long while ago.
The USSR did. The PRC did (remarkably similar in this regard, down to the 60% life expectancy increase figure). Freed Korea did. Cuba did. Angola did. Mozambique did. Vietnam did.
If you know basic macroeconomics, you know why a state that maintains a planned economy (which, by the way, is not synonymous with 'communism') not only can but is also interested in implementing things like guaranteed housing (which is impossible under capitalism in the long term, as are the other things on this list), universal healthcare, elimination of illiteracy, developed public transportation, elimination of unemployment, etc.
Both history and (orthodox liberal) economics are against you here. The fact that you didn't even bother looking up if you were correct is hilarious.
Cool. Why didn't you?
I know that you didn't because I have studied this topic and I know that you are being extremely overconfident for somebody so wrong.
I do not know of a communist revolution that succeeded and then did not implement programmes for elimination of illiteracy.
The RSFSR/the USSR's one was even called 'Ликбез'/'Ликвидация Безграмотности'/'Elimination of Illiteracy', and it brought literacy rates from 15-40% in the late Russian Empire (I have seen a few estimations, but they are all in that pathetic range) up to about 100% by 1939, and managed to produce one of the most educated population on the planet in the previous century. I reiterate, the USSR started with a mostly illiterate population but became the first state to launch a space satellite, to launch an animal, a man, a woman into space, to build a space station, to make (an unmanned and, most importantly, repeatable and actually scientifically useful) landing on the moon with the rover, etc within less than a century.
I don't think I need to elaborate on stuff with the PRC, Cuba, and the others. They also carried out such initiatives to educate their people.
You seem to be a gold medalist in mental gymnastics. What an incredible way to not understand that people can be provided an education for.
Again, this is hilarious. 'Housing people and helping anti-colonial movements around the world is somehow just as bad as torturing and killing people by denying them housing and invading other countries to put them in a colonial yoke'.
If anything, the USSR and other socialist states have had actual accomplishments, unlike AOC. By your standards, you should be singing them praises.
You forgot to add "because some people are genetically incapable of being educated somehow"
Rofl, yes lets ignore all the harm they have and continued to do. I'm not going to rehash communist/capitalism history with you. its been done to death. none of them solved homeless, healthcare, food issues, or having a slave class.
Providing people with guaranteed housing and helping anti-colonial movements around the world defend against you is the opposite of harm.
Also, given that you do not consider literal participation in a genocide to be bad enough to consider AOC your enemy (despite her complete lack of accomplishments that are not harm to the rest of the world), you shouldn't have any issues with whatever it is you want to bring up against Angola, Mozambique, Cuba, Korea, the USSR, etc.
Because you simply do not have any expertise on the topic. You never investigated it. You do not understand anything on the matter.
Literally every state that implemented planned economy also implemented guaranteed housing (if you are aware of any exceptions, then go ahead and cite your sources). If your argument is 'technically, there were individual cases of people falling through the cracks', then you are obviously just being silly. Everybody will take reducing harm from happening systemically to happening on an individual level, and it is silly to try to suggest otherwise.
Ditto. Planned economies are inherently interested in both guaranteed housing and universal healthcare. They are interested in implementing free medical services + cheap medicine. Countries like the USSR and Cuba were/are no exception.
Instead of making these wild and incorrect guesses, you should try studying these topics.
As per several studies, some of which were conducted by the CIA, the USSR provided its people with a better access to food than the US in at least 1960s onward (i.e. after recovering from WW2). The USSR also solved the regular famines that plagued the Russian Empire.
If you are going to suggest that people under classical colonial yoke were fed better before their liberation, I'm just going to laugh at you at this point.
This is hilarious. What 'slave class' in the USSR?
Also, going to note that AOC is supporting enslavement and extermination of Palestinians. That's not enough for you to turn away from her.
Gulags from 1956 onwards were better than current US prisons
looks like the link says 1953 onwards? am I reading it wrong
No I am just having a hard time with numbers today
Harm? Go ahead, quote the black book of communism, we've heard it all before and it's pure bullshit. Stop letting the capitalists spoon-feed you propaganda and fucking LEARN for YOURSELF for once.
Be specific for once, bet you can't. Which food issues? What about the healthcare? What about the homeless? What slave class? Which country are you talking about? What time? What specific thing is it you believe you're referencing and what are your sources for that?
this is so fucking stupid goddamn
Haha it's good shit right? Its that sweet flavor of "gotcha" you might get from a precocious teen planning to take a debate class next semester.
100% this person is still in the throes of teenager-dom
yeah i can see why facts are hard for you to grasp. but you know, I definitely trust the numbers from the USSR and China.... they havent been caught lying about their metrics at all..... oh and huh I guess they havent quite nixed it in the bud yet either... surprise. I also find it hilarious when you start digging into the numbers that detail in which the distinction between literate and illiterate between US and china is hilarious. they're measuring completely different things, the US is focusing of complex language analysis and china just publishes 'yeah they can read and write'. But lets do it anyway using china's metric.
china is vastly superior with its 97% literacy vs the US's 95.8%. damn. communism is definitely the superior system. you got me. I'm totally convinced one system definitely isnt shit. I definitely can't think of any policies in china that would have potentially influenced this...... oh whats this? the US information has a breakdown on the illiterate group....
huh, go figure. exactly my assertion that you can't hit 100%.
So remind me again what was your point? Dont get me wrong I admire some outcomes communist countries achieve just not at the cost. Just as I admire some things capitalist countries have achieved, just not at the cost. Essentially both systems are fundamentally flawed, both systems are capable of massive outputs at the expense absolutely abhorrent treatment of people just in different ways.
And remember, I think both systems are shit. I've looked into both. found both wanting on purely human decency grounds. They both trend towards hierarchical societies that shit on an underclass. and yes, this by design. both systems are underpinned by an economic policies based on mathematical principles to achieve some particular set of goals. both are unstable. capitalism for its need to grow uncontrollably and lack of a strong guardrails towards positive feedback loops for individuals economic power, which leads to subversion by dictators. Communism because of its economic centralization is easily subverted and dismantled by dictators. One just takes longer depending on the starting point but both trend to the same end result.
Go shoot a CEO weirdo.
Ah yes, 'those spooky Asiatics always lie, and we can't ever know how things actually worked there'.
That is obviously silly. Firstly, you are forgetting that research has also been done by people from elsewhere (including by white westerners, whom you apparently consider to be genetically honest and superior to Slavs and Chinese people), and, secondly, you are forgetting that people who lived and worked in the USSR and other relevant places are alive. I have very easy access to such people (and I know for certain that they are such people) and I have used that access to study this very topic.
Also, let's turn this around. USians always lie. We can never trust what comes out of that cursed land. That Wikipedia page you linked? That's a complete fabrication. There has also never been this 'AOC' person, ever.
You are obviously being incredibly silly.
Again, relevant stuff was also studied by white westerners whom you consider to never ever lie, unlike your dastardly designated enemies, whose every good thing is apparently a fabrication and is never true.
I can even tell you that this stuff has been studied by vocal anti-communists.
Literally a 99.8% literacy rate overall. 100% among the youth. Started with 80% of the population being illiterate in 1940s.
Currently, the PRC is leading in many technologies, academic disciplines, and industries.
So, yeah, they have been very successful in this regard, apparently.
not to mention when liberal historians looked into the USSR's archives they quietly failed to make any noise about how their vicious Cold War fantasies were disproven. meanwhile what does the US's continuous history of overt and covert intervention say about their lies of "freedom" and "democracy"?
lmao
5 years from now you'll either be a communist and laugh about this conversation or you'll be a fascist because you refuse to investigate. So many people in this comment chain have tried to help you realize that most of what you're saying is just catchphrases designed to dismiss communism as "authoritarian" and incompatible with "human nature"
I retract my comment earlier about them "being tapped"
This might be the most "i'm not mad" text I've ever read
Firstly, that's what policies are supposed to do. Solve these issues. How that is lost on people like you who want to elect politicians to solve problems for you is beyond me.
Secondly, how is the one-child policy relevant here?
Notably, this indicates that fewer USians are literate by the standards of the PRC that you opt to malign here.
Notably, the PRC's education efforts are evidently very successful. Just as I said.
That communist projects generally provide good education for their people. Which is very evident at this point.
Notably, their achievements are much greater than that of this 'AOC' person who might not even exist.
Like slavery and colonialism? Lol. Couldn't achieve much themselves but polish pig poop balls without colonialism.
One of them boasts guaranteed housing, universal healthcare, elimination of illiteracy, massive increases of life expectancy, bringing about women's rights that we consider a given today, and so on, and so forth.
The other boasts colonial exploitation of most of the world, immiseration of billions, genocide of millions.
You opt to claim they are equally flawed and bad. And you also claim that a person who works to uphold the latter system is somehow good while having no achievements of note. You are being silly.
Guaranteed housing, universal healthcare, elimination of illiteracy, massive increases of life expectancy, emancipation of women, liberation of your colonies, etc. is not, contrary to what USians have been conditioned to believe, 'abhorrent'.
Going to note again that you are yet to actually say how the treatment of people by communist states is somehow bad.
And you are being extremely silly. You even think that AOC - a high politician who works to uphold the obviously worse system - is somehow good, and that she should be defended.
If you find guaranteed housing, universal healthcare, etc. just as bad as slavery and near-slavery that your empire has been subjecting the rest of the world to, then you are just being an extremely silly branwashed Burgerlander.
Notably, you are literally in support of a politician who is involved in a genocide, and who is trying to maintain the worst version of one of the systems you claim to hate.
You keep making claims without being able to support them.
'Planned economy (again, not synonymous with 'communism') is bad because it is dismantled by the governments' is a very silly argument that actually indicates that planned economy is good, as you find it bad when it is dismantled.
Also, you are one of those people who use the word 'dictator' but do not mean anything by the word other than 'the worst genocidal empire in the world told me to use the word against its designated enemies, so I will uncritically do so!'.
In any case, you are being very silly.
There's a real chance a lot of us here are old enough to be your parents, but go off I guess.
wow, you're dumb as shit
It's incredible that they think they're cooking.
never in time has a kruger dunned so hard
One of them actually did.
Funny how you haven't done it.
Oh okay, you're stupid stupid. This isn't even
this is someone thinking they're on the level of Shapiro
"Because I decide to misinterpret what 'eliminate illiteracy' means, communism is just as bad as capitalism"
It's a terrible argument, but considering you being... you, you don't understand why. So let me put it in terms you can understand.
You fool! You absolute little baby! You have failed to consider certain aspects of the argument, which is unsurprising given your proclivities. Let me debunk your retort real quick: You assume "illiterate" means "unable to read or write" while it can easily just mean "uneducated". Silly goose.
Don't stay up past your bedtime!
Show me this math
Lmao you cannot be older than 15
communists -->
Alright bears i think this one's tapped.Straight-up repeating themselves now, booooooo.Everyone fill out their libby-bingo cards? DM me if you need more time otherwise I'm callin this
'd king in for the moderation they so desperately desire
Eddie: i was so, so wrong
I want to give them 24 hours tbh. I want to see what happens if they get to sleep on it
Don't worry I well know about various systems. So I guess it's a you thing to think everything is bad and there's no good solution? Mathematically we can either have evil oligarchy or evil authority? Or do you have a secret third option that mathematically is freedom or something?
I do agree it's trivial to see the issues in capitalism mathematically or otherwise. Profit cannot grow forever. It will burn the world down.
Sorry that's not a real thing. We don't believe in CIA propaganda around here https://jacobin.com/author/marcie-smith
is that the link you were intending?
No not at all lol. It seems my bookmarks are messed up
I'm looking through them and can't find the article I'm looking for. I'm not going to put in more effort and I am also not going to change it, since this doofus won't click the link anyway
quack quack =)