https://hexbear.net/post/4115768

  • miz [any, any]
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    2 days ago

    I need a place to put this comment for after this jagoff gets banned, so behold the smugness of a high-school-aged liberal inside a cozy bubble of "I've looked into communism, and it's bad".

    yeah i can see why facts are hard for you to grasp. but you know, I definitely trust the numbers from the USSR and China.... they havent been caught lying about their metrics at all..... oh and huh I guess they havent quite nixed it in the bud yet either... surprise. I also find it hilarious when you start digging into the numbers that detail in which the distinction between literate and illiterate between US and china is hilarious. they're measuring completely different things, the US is focusing of complex language analysis and china just publishes 'yeah they can read and write'. But lets do it anyway using china's metric.

    china is vastly superior with its 97% literacy vs the US's 95.8%. damn. communism is definitely the superior system. you got me. I'm totally convinced one system definitely isnt shit. I definitely can't think of any policies in china that would have potentially influenced this...... oh whats this? the US information has a breakdown on the illiterate group....

    4.2% of respondents who were unable to be assessed due to language barriers, cognitive disability, or physical disability.

    huh, go figure. exactly my assertion that you can't hit 100%.

    So remind me again what was your point? Dont get me wrong I admire some outcomes communist countries achieve just not at the cost. Just as I admire some things capitalist countries have achieved, just not at the cost. Essentially both systems are fundamentally flawed, both systems are capable of massive outputs at the expense absolutely abhorrent treatment of people just in different ways.

    And remember, I think both systems are shit. I've looked into both. found both wanting on purely human decency grounds. They both trend towards hierarchical societies that shit on an underclass. and yes, this by design. both systems are underpinned by an economic policies based on mathematical principles to achieve some particular set of goals. both are unstable. capitalism for its need to grow uncontrollably and lack of a strong guardrails towards positive feedback loops for individuals economic power, which leads to subversion by dictators. Communism because of its economic centralization is easily subverted and dismantled by dictators. One just takes longer depending on the starting point but both trend to the same end result.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 days ago

      And remember, I think both systems are shit.

      The ultimate smuglord move. But don't you see I think both are bad (despite only critiquing one), so obviously I'm enlightened and correct. Oh no, I don't have a system i think does work. Why if i did then I'd actually have to defend something rather than just play word games for hours.

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      2 days ago

      I highly doubt 95.8% of the U.S. is literate. Or at least literate past the point of 'oh I know how to spell 'car'".

      Case in point, what in the world does the One Child Policy have to do with literacy rates? Are they implying that it isn't possible to have high literacy rates in countries that have more children? That is an incredibly bold assumption and assertion, a real correlation doesn't mean causation basic statistical problem. Such a random offshoot that would get you docked points on any essay as to whether or not you even are literate in the topic you are discussing.

      Real high-school liberal shit.

      • the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]
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        1 day ago

        Wait'll you learn what this comment is actually in defense of! You ready? You're not ready.

        lol. child. neither governance model can achieve those goals. I can literally pick every single one of those metrics and a quick search will debunk claims to each one for both systems. some are trivially debunked. for example: you can't eliminate illiteracy. there is a little thing called genetic defects, and brain damage which both can result in a person literally becoming incapable of literacy. but you know that'd require you having more than a 5 graders level of knowledge of the world.

        So, yes. both systems are equally bad. communism requires a slave class just as much as capitalism does.

        Emphasis mine. The bureaocracy is right. This kid is a walking tagline generator

        • HelluvaBottomCarter [comrade/them]
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          1 day ago

          you can't eliminate illiteracy. there is a little thing called genetic defects

          Would love to hear more about their thoughts on genetics and intelligence

          hitler-detector

        • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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          1 day ago

          Christ, another assertion that has very little to do with the topic at hand.

          Also, 'debunked', I feel like I am on atheist/skeptic YouTube and Reddit again. Very much a walking tagline generator. It's always weird when the community has one on the line and just keeps playing with it, the degeneration is always wild.

    • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 days ago

      I love how our system fooled so many by having a figurehead election every 4 years. No one stops to think Mr. President is NOT the person calling the shots under Capitalism 🤔

      • miz [any, any]
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        2 days ago

        A democratic republic is the best possible political shell for capitalism, and, therefore, once capital has gained possession of this very best shell (through the Palchinskys, Chernovs, Tseretelis and Co.), it establishes its power so securely, so firmly, that no change of persons, institutions or parties in the bourgeois-democratic republic can shake it.

        from State and Revolution

    • Bureaucrat
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      2 days ago

      They have immense tagline potential