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  • FlannelHero [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Nuclear weapons are a tricky issue. On the one hand I completely agree, they are arguably the worst thing humans have ever created and should have never existed in the first place. On the other hand they have, ironically and very thinly, prevented a major conflict between superpowers since WWII. Without Soviet nukes or Chinese nukes we would have gone to war with them or be at war with them now. As for weaker countries, they are THE ace in the hole for self defense. I agree, they’re an abomination and shouldn’t exist, but disarmament is likely nigh to impossible because even if the nuclear powers disarm, you know that they’ll all keep a very secret cache of the damned things. A couple American silos hidden in plain sight, a few Russian subs prowling the northern seas just waiting for the order, Chinese bombers at a moments notice, all for the tit-for-tat if one does The Thing to the other. Even smaller nuclear powers might keep a few handy “just in case” and make it a closely guarded state secret. I would love to have a nuclear free world, but the genie is out of the bottle and we won’t put it back until there is a world government. And even then I could see the technological know how being kept around just in case. That’s the beauty of being on the left, we are very idealistic, but also very rooted in harsh reality and truly use nuance to approach issues. So, all that being said and I said a lot and I’m sorry, continue to focus on the ideal while being able to see the harsh reality. Cheers comrade.

  • Shmyt [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago

    In a good and just world, yes, there should never be nuclear weapons. Unfortunately that is not the world we are in. Maybe this would be possible once imperialist countries are remade, but before that it seems like the worst game of chicken. I see quite a few barriers to this:

    • what country opposed to US interests in their right mind would destroy all their nukes before the US gets rid of theirs?
    • Even without nuclear weapons, the war machine of America can cause destruction on a similar level as nuclear weapons to a single country, it would just take more missiles and more planes, why would somewhere like the DPRK ever risk being attacked in such a way without a threat of retaliation?
    • you get into that weird territory of who is overseeing these decommisions and how are we ensuring no nation is hiding more weapons or facilities to restart their stockpile?
  • kristina [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    idk i'll meet you halfway, only capitalists shouldnt have nukes

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Either everybody should have them. Or no one should. We literally need complete nuclear disarmament or else we will inevitably destroy ourselves and the world. The only time they are good is what others have said here, when a country develops them to protect themselves or others. Soviet Union and China, the DPRK, and even Iran if they would have produced one. It’s a proven fact that they stop the US from intervening to an extent.

  • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Nuclear weapons are good and literally the only thing that stopped US dropping nukes on China in 1950s was the fact Soviets have them

    Even today the only thing stopping the US-Eu axis invading Russia, Dprk and China are nukes

    I mean does anyone here think its nice to be killed by non nuclear weapons?

    When we live in a world where the economy is not run by a hegemon that has a Military Industrial Complex predicated on war then I'll be for universal disarmament. But we currently live in a world where the psycho hegemon and thr only country to have ever used nukes also doesnt have a "no first strike" rule like China, Russia and dprk

    • kristina [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      id honestly rather die to a nuke in its immediate blast radius than anything else that might happen in a dumbass war

  • Ness [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    North Korea can have little a nukes, as a treat

  • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    once the US collapses/stops being a shit, then yeah
    but the big bright light is all that stops the great satan from rolling over everyone they please

  • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Americans: mutually assured destruction has eliminated the potential for major war, nukes are GOOD

    Brazil: hey guys it turns out you can just get rid of them

  • Pickle_Lenin [any]
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    4 years ago

    If this is ever to happen, it has to start with the US. Not only are they the only country to use them against another country, they also planned to do it AGAIN. No country is safe while they still have nukes.

  • Wmill [they/them, fae/faer]
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    4 years ago

    Like I hear what you saying but for small countries what other real deterrent do they have for keeping the US at bay. Pretty sure Ghadaffi went with the US on this and I think got disposed by I think US backed rebels. Not 100% sure on this heard it from the podcast I think. I would like a nuclear weapon free world too but as long as the US and by extension imperialism exist people will try to defend themselves somehow.