• Mardoniush [she/her]
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    Not the greatest look.

    Stalin had a lot of shit takes socially, which probably influenced him in letting Beria fuck around.

    Still critical support though.

    • Lando [any]
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      I mean Stalin fucked a lot of shit up though, really ran over a lot of good policies Lenin had put in place. I don't think it's weird to say the USSR was good and wish they were still around while also pointing out all the dumb shit leadership did.

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        i mean yeah the ussr doesnt exist anymore so obviously something was bad

        • Lando [any]
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          Hah, yeah that's probalby the biggest indictment of their leadership.

        • modsarefascist [he/him]
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          Stalin did more to help destroy the idea of international socialism than any single person. If the west was ran by one guy then sure he'd get it, but it wasn't. Stalin is the reason socialism has the taint of authoritarianism. Socialism is inherently democratic, anything less is just a dictatorship of the powerful few with proletarian window dressing.

          • FailsonSimulator2020 [any]
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            Yeah man they definitely weren’t calling Lenin a right winger in 1919. Stalin is the reason they slander us so viciously. Without that we could just convince rich liberals to do a gentle socialism in all our best interests right? sweet non threatening liberal democracy is in all our interests. What? The people of a backwards feudal area democratically decide to criminalize homosexuality? Lol fucking issueless leadership amirite, you’re supposed to let democracy wreck the revolution but override democracy for an unpopular social policy before there’s been a major global liberation movement for them.

            Just poor “pee pee poo poo” designed to make you be unable to understand history in context and emotionally recoil away without thinking.

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            Stalin is the reason socialism has the taint of authoritarianism.

            No he's not. They were calling us authoritarians before the ussr even happened and before Stalin was even born. The only reason this is attached to Stalin is because he led the first proletarian state for the majority of its climb out of poverty and into a world-leading position. He simply became the face of the first proletarian state and thus all the accusations of "authoritarians" that had been around since Marx first began writing were levelled at him. There's a reason all of Marx' writing addresses accusations of authoritarianism and shamelessly says "yes actually we are authoritarians to the bourgeoisie".

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      Still critical support though.

      Why? Did the USSR not have other competent people to lead in his place?
      Is there really anything to be gained from defending this guy?

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        No, I don't think they had anyone as competent as Stalin.

        Trotsky probably would have been better on a number of fronts. He'd also alienated most of the party and had some disasterous foreign policy takes.

        The right opposition were terrible and in many cases actually caused the SUs fuckups in the 20s.

        Everyone else I think could do it (Zdanhov, Molotov) supported Stalin. Others like Zukhov were not candidates.

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          Trotsky had alienated the party so badly by 1925 Kamenev and Zinoviev were trying to assassinate him and by 1927 (When Trotsky was thrown out of the party) they openly called for shooting him

          To which Stalin replied "Why make a martyr out of Trotsky who will soon be defeated anyway. We better not start chopping heads or we wont know where it will end" (referencing the french revolution)

          Stalin only started chopping heads when the opposition started doing actual assassinations like killing Sergei Kirov

          In 1940 when all the communists in Ukraine were pro Soviet he was writing articles on the "independence of Ukraine" when those calling for independence were bourgeois nationalists and fascists and would later go on to collaborate with nazis and up their own SS divisions. This is despite knowing that Hitler called for conquerinUkraine for Lebensraum

          Trotsky basically saw himself as a Napolean Bonaparte that should rule all by himself and the party wouldnt even let him be a normal member after 1927 let alone lead them

          In the year of his expulsion(1927) he set up the Opposition. At the party congress 724,000 members voted for the Stalin led party platform and 4000 voted for the Trotskys opposition program

          In order for Trotsky to ever lead the Bolsheviks he basically needs to be an entirely different person making entirely different decisions

        • qublics [they/them,she/her]
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          Fuck this shit I'm just going to stan Mao harder so I don't have to think about it.

        • modsarefascist [he/him]
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          Disastrous like trying to expand socialism and not ally with the west like Stalin tried multiple times to do (and succeeded briefly with...Nazi Germany).

          • FailsonSimulator2020 [any]
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            “The first thing that strikes one is the abundance of allusions, hints and evasions with regard to the old question of whether it was right to conclude the Brest Treaty. The “Lefts” dare not put the question in a straightforward manner. They flounder about in a comical fashion, pile argument on argument, fish for reasons, plead that “on the one hand” it may be so, but “on the other hand” it may not, their thoughts wander over all and sundry subjects, they try all the time not to see that they are defeating themselves. The “Lefts” are very careful to quote the figures: twelve votes at the Party Congress against peace, twenty-eight votes in favour, but they discreetly refrain from mentioning that of the hundreds of votes cast at the meeting of the Bolshevik group of the Congress of Soviets they obtained less than one-tenth. They have invented a “theory” that the peace was carried by “the exhausted and declassed elements”, while it was opposed by “the workers and peasants of the southern regions, where there was greater vitality in economic life and the supply of bread was more assured”. . . . Can one do anything but laugh at this? There is not a word about the voting at the All-Ukraine Congress of Soviets in favour of peace, nor about the social and class character of the typically petty-bourgeois and declassed political conglomeration in Russia who were opposed to peace (the Left Socialist-Revolutionary party). In an utterly childish manner, by means of amusing “scientific” explanations, they try to conceal their own bankruptcy, to conceal the facts, the mere review of which would show that it was precisely the declassed, intellectual “cream” of the party, the elite, who opposed the peace with slogans couched in revolutionary petty-bourgeois phrases, that it was precisely the mass of workers and exploited peasants who carried the peace. Nevertheless, in spite of all the above-mentioned declarations and evasions of the “Lefts” on the question of war and peace, the plain and obvious truth manages to come to light. The authors of the theses are compelled to admit that “the conclusion of peace has for the time being weakened the imperialists’ attempts to make a deal on a world scale” (this is inaccurately formulated by the “Lefts”, but this is not the place to deal with inaccuracies). “The conclusion of peace has already caused the conflict between the imperialist powers to become more acute.” Now this is a fact. Here is something that has decisive significance. That is why those who opposed the conclusion of peace were unwittingly playthings in the hands of the imperialists and fell into the trap laid for them by the imperialists. For, until the world socialist revolution breaks out, until it embraces several countries and is strong enough to overcome international imperialism, it is the direct duty of the socialists who have conquered in one country (especially a backward one) not to accept battle against the giants of imperialism. Their duty is to try to avoid battle, to wait until the conflicts between the imperialists weaken them even more, and bring the revolution in other countries even nearer. Our “Lefts” did not understand this simple truth in January, February and March. Even now they are afraid of admitting it openly. But it comes to light through all their confused reasoning like “on the one hand it must be confessed, on the other hand one must admit”. “During the coming spring and summer,” the “Lefts” write in their theses, “the collapse of the imperialist system must begin. In the event of a victory for German imperialism in the present phase of the war this collapse can only be postponed, but it will then express itself in even more acute forms.”

            This formulation is even more childishly inaccurate despite its playing at science. It is natural for children to “understand” science to mean something that can determine in what year, spring, summer, autumn or winter the “collapse must begin”.

            These are ridiculous, vain attempts to ascertain what cannot be ascertained. No serious politician will ever say when this or that collapse of a “system” “must begin” (the more so that the collapse of the system has already begun, and it is now a question of the moment when the outbreak of revolution in particular countries will begin). But an indisputable truth forces its way through this childishly helpless formulation, namely, the outbreaks of revolution in other, more advanced, countries are nearer now, a month since the beginning of the “respite” which followed the conclusion of peace, than they were a month or six weeks ago.

            What follows? It follows that the peace supporters were absolutely right, and their stand has been justified by the course of events. They were right in having drummed into the minds of the lovers of ostentation that one must be able to calculate the balance of forces and not help the imperialists by making the battle against socialism easier for them when socialism is still weak, and when the chances of the battle are manifestly against socialism.

            Our “Left” Communists, however, who are also fond of calling themselves “proletarian” Communists, because there is very little that is proletarian about them and very much that is petty-bourgeois, are incapable of giving thought to the balance of forces, to calculating it. This is the core of Marxism and Marxist tactics, but they disdainfully brush aside the “core” with “proud” phrases such as:

            “. . . That the masses have become firmly imbued with an inactive *&8216;peace mentality’ is an objective fact of the political situation. . . .”

            What a gem! After three years of the most agonising and reactionary war, the people, thanks to Soviet power and its correct tactics, which never lapsed into mere phrase-making, have obtained a very, very brief, insecure and far from sufficient respite. The “Left” intellectual striplings, however, with the magnificence of a self-infatuated Narcissus, profoundly declare “that the masses [???] have become firmly imbued [!!!] with an inactive [!!!???] peace mentality”. Was I not right when I said at the Party Congress that the paper or journal of the “Lefts” ought to have been called not Kommunist but Szlachcic. [Szlachcic—a Polish nobleman —Ed.]

            Can a Communist with the slightest understanding of the mentality and the conditions of life of the toiling and exploited people descend to the point of view of the typical declassed petty-bourgeois intellectual with the mental outlook of a noble or szlachcic, which declares that a “peace mentality” is “inactive” and believes that the brandishing of a cardboard sword is “activity"? For our “Lefts” merely brandish a cardboard sword when they ignore the universally known fact, of which the war in the Ukraine has served as an additional proof, that peoples utterly exhausted by three years of butchery cannot go on fighting without a respite; and that war, if it cannot be organised on a national scale, very often creates a mentality of disintegration peculiar to petty proprietors, instead of the iron discipline of the proletariat. Every page of Kommunist shows that our “Lefts” have no idea of iron proletarian discipline and how it is achieved, that they are thoroughly imbued with the mentality of the declassed petty-bourgeois intellectual.“

            TL;DR: “For, until the world socialist revolution breaks out, until it embraces several countries and is strong enough to overcome international imperialism, it is the direct duty of the socialists who have conquered in one country (especially a backward one) not to accept battle against the giants of imperialism. Their duty is to try to avoid battle, to wait until the conflicts between the imperialists weaken them even more, and bring the revolution in other countries even nearer. Our “Lefts” did not understand this simple truth“