• The_word_of_dog [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I think the original joke was meant to be about people who saw that and thought Kazakhstan was actually that terrible, without either reflecting on the US or educating themselves even a tiny bit on Kazakhstan .

      Like it's a spoof on how Americans view ex-soviet nations or any non-british colonial state, while America itself has no trouble partaking in nearly all of the same depravities that Kazakhstan supposedly does.

      Making up a whole country would also work, but they probably thought someone would catch on if he was just saying a non-existent country, though in reality a lot of the people he interviews probably would have zero clue the difference.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I think there's merit to his tactic and I'd like to think he's not deliberately trying to be racist. But fuck I always think back to that scene from his "home" village (filmed in Romania) from that first film and it was just waaaayyy too much.

      When I think about it, my main criticism against him is similar to one of the main criticisms against black face: someone is coming in and depicting a voiceless minority in an inaccurate and insulting way for entertainment.

      Can blackface be used to effectively critique bad things? I suppose I can envision that. But still, it's inherently pretty dicey in my eyes.

      • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Can blackface be used to effectively critique bad things? I suppose I can envision that. But still, it’s inherently pretty dicey in my eyes.

        Interestingly, there were actually a number of minstrel show writers who fancied themselves “progressives” and tried (and usually failed) to use the genre to humanize black people.

        There’s a famous minstrel song called “Nellie was a Lady” about a black steamboat captain who returns from a long voyage to find his wife as died. It was controversial in the South because it referred to a black woman as a “lady”. Thing is it was still sung by a white dude with burnt cork on his face. Most of these writers ended up realizing you can’t really use blackface progressively and abandoned the genre.

        • The_word_of_dog [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          That's actually pretty interesting as an example of the limits of satire

    • Rev [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Well the crude punching down on Lybia and Ghadaffi in The Dictator was blatantly intentional, so I don't think we can assume that Cohen is impervious to and thus not working from an internalised imperialist perspective.