I am hearing really scary things in the wake of the beheading of that teacher. Is Macron starting an all out persecution campaign against Muslims?
I'd especially appreciate input by French chapos.
I am hearing really scary things in the wake of the beheading of that teacher. Is Macron starting an all out persecution campaign against Muslims?
I'd especially appreciate input by French chapos.
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extremely dont care for these inter-thread squabbles. just dont next time.
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Bruh I aggressively don't give a fuck if what some random nobody on some other thread 60 people read on some god forsaken leftist shitpost forum was a bad take and I will continue to not care, sorry. It's better to not make every thread a weird esoteric struggle sesh between 5 people.
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Good, make your own thread. I understand what your issue is but I also don't think anthm17 (from the posts I saw so far) is really islamophobic, even though approving the projections is a bad take. I think their issue is just that they are interpreting some of the posts people make as implicitly blaming the teacher for getting killed.
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In that same thread that user was decrying how europeans behaved to Muslims historically and how even Arabs who conquered parts of Europe treated them much better... I'm not sure what islamophobia means to you but, like, I really don't think that person is saying that because they are islamophobic, but because they just have a shit take on this subject.
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Cool but what does that have to do with my comment?
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Yeah, how does that relate to what you said?
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In another post you said you are an atheist.
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What?
shut up lol
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thats right now get out
What?
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Who the fuck is he and why do some of you here remember usernames?
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What thread?
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none of these comment posts, nor my context links out of my own bio ever actually link to the comment here, it's gotta be some kind of bug. it always just takes me to the top of the whole post.
that said, i think antm17 is missing a lot of the nuance. he's over simplifying the situation, but still has a point in that you shouldn't get your head cut off for literally doing your job, that job is as a teacher in literally a class about freedom of speech.
Paty taught a moral and civic education course in early October 2020 on freedom of expression, in accord with the French national curriculum.During his class he showed some of his teenage students a caricature of Muhammad from the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo during a class discussion about freedom of speech. Before showing the caricature, Paty had invited Muslim students to leave the classroom if they wished. According to one student, he had previously shown these cartoons as part of the discussion every year since the Charlie Hebdo shooting in 2015. For many Muslims, any depiction of Muhammad is blasphemous.
yes, rather tasteless, also quite relevant to the topic, especially considering the local relevance.
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at that point it becomes a much larger conversation about what makes up a religion, how willing you are to adhere to rules of said religion, especially as a non adherent, who gets to make up rules of a religion, etc.
if you're trying to force me to adhere to a religion, i would say that you can fuck right off yourself.
i personally am not for blatantly trying to be bigoted and going about anything that would put someone in a position where they feel they are being blasphemous, but when you have a fucking rule in your religion that puts its adherents to the point where they are forced to murder over cartoons, i think that personally is a shitty fucking stupid fucking rule.
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"this is about..." "don't make it about."
so fuck nuance huh? no.
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fuck off fascist piece of shit
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fascism is when you defend killing people for not adhering to your rules
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by saying fuck nuance and attacking the idea of defending the position of free speech.
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criticizing aspects of a religion is not being a racist piece of shit. first off, lots of different races adhere to islam, second, if you can't criticize something over fear of getting your head cut off, that's a shitty rule, and to defend it is fascism. fuck you.
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that's not what we're arguing, we're arging about a teacher getting their head cut off for teaching a class about freedom of expression, fuck you.
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something about 'MUH NUANCE' ?
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criticizing a rule in islam doesn't make you islamophobic. criticizing the law that "if you're gay in Christianity you should go to hell" doesn't make you christophobic.
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you said it when you said "MUH NUANCE!"
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you didn't joke about a lack of nuance, you threw nuance to the fucking wolves and proceeded on with your bullshit
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your bullshit being lumping anyone who criticizes any aspect of something into being "____-phobic"
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yes, you said that in regard to fair nuanced criticism. you lumped it in with islamophobia. you have shitty politics from an egotistical idpol perspective. fuck you. hard.
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me too.
this is where you are fucked. criticizing cutting off a teachers head and how it pertains to a stupid rule doesn't promote the continuation of the previous position. this is where you're missing the nuance, and where you become fucking wrong.
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i just don't think that the original user we were having this conversation about meant anything besides that it's not cool to cut teachers heads off for teaching about free speech, and you lumped him in with being an islamophob, probably due to your passion of hatred of bigotry.
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that's agreeable to me, and i think a fucking country should definitely take the same position that we take on it, but i can at least recognize that it's a stupid fucking rule in the first place, and the mention of how stupid it is should go hand in hand with the discussion in the first place.
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because that dumb shit rule that old dudes care still leads to the teachers getting their heads cut off, which is fucked.
it needs to be mentioned that that shit should be changed, that the extremists are wrong in doing that shit in the first place, as well as people who antagonize them in first place.
and lumping everyone who criticizes it into being an islamphob even contributes to the perpetuation of the extremism in the first place.
extremists/fundamentalists should be criticized right along side bigots, because they're both shitty takes.
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because you began by attacking someone who criticized it, and then attacked even the idea of a nuanced position and looking at the different perspectives of the conversation.
i'm not using anything as 'evidence' and i'm coming to a better understanding of your position, but you need to explain clearly how you feel about shit, as in
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You do realise that racists look funny at Muslims not because they're Muslims, right? A dark skinned devout Catholic would get just as many dirty looks and slurs coming their way. A knucklehead like yourself mindlessly promoting the sanctity of Islam here is awfully patronising to Arabs and Africans, since it heavily implies that Islam is somehow inherent to them and is the only legit way for them to find solidarity and fight oppression.
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You got something against atheism mate?
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