I am hearing really scary things in the wake of the beheading of that teacher. Is Macron starting an all out persecution campaign against Muslims?

I'd especially appreciate input by French chapos.

  • RandomWords [he/him]
    5·
    4 years ago

    criticizing aspects of a religion is not being a racist piece of shit. first off, lots of different races adhere to islam, second, if you can't criticize something over fear of getting your head cut off, that's a shitty rule, and to defend it is fascism. fuck you.

      • RandomWords [he/him]
        5·
        4 years ago

        that's not what we're arguing, we're arging about a teacher getting their head cut off for teaching a class about freedom of expression, fuck you.

          • RandomWords [he/him]
            2·
            4 years ago

            that said, i think antm17 is missing a lot of the nuance. he’s over simplifying the situation, but still has a point in that you shouldn’t get your head cut off for literally doing your job, that job is as a teacher in literally a class about freedom of speech.

                  • RandomWords [he/him]
                    2·
                    4 years ago

                    criticizing a rule in islam doesn't make you islamophobic. criticizing the law that "if you're gay in Christianity you should go to hell" doesn't make you christophobic.

                          • RandomWords [he/him]
                            1·
                            4 years ago

                            you didn't joke about a lack of nuance, you threw nuance to the fucking wolves and proceeded on with your bullshit

                              • RandomWords [he/him]
                                2·
                                4 years ago

                                your bullshit being lumping anyone who criticizes any aspect of something into being "____-phobic"

                                  • RandomWords [he/him]
                                    3·
                                    4 years ago

                                    This is about calling out racism and islamaphobia. Don’t make it about you being “forced to adhere to a religion” whatever the fuck that means. It’s about showing respect for a persecuted minority.

                                      • RandomWords [he/him]
                                        2·
                                        4 years ago

                                        yes, you said that in regard to fair nuanced criticism. you lumped it in with islamophobia. you have shitty politics from an egotistical idpol perspective. fuck you. hard.

                                          • RandomWords [he/him]
                                            1·
                                            4 years ago

                                            I literally want the french state and its media to stop persecuting muslims.

                                            me too.

                                            If you want that persecution to continue, please continue this thread.

                                            this is where you are fucked. criticizing cutting off a teachers head and how it pertains to a stupid rule doesn't promote the continuation of the previous position. this is where you're missing the nuance, and where you become fucking wrong.

                                                • RandomWords [he/him]
                                                  1·
                                                  4 years ago

                                                  i just don't think that the original user we were having this conversation about meant anything besides that it's not cool to cut teachers heads off for teaching about free speech, and you lumped him in with being an islamophob, probably due to your passion of hatred of bigotry.

                                                    • RandomWords [he/him]
                                                      1·
                                                      4 years ago

                                                      that's agreeable to me, and i think a fucking country should definitely take the same position that we take on it, but i can at least recognize that it's a stupid fucking rule in the first place, and the mention of how stupid it is should go hand in hand with the discussion in the first place.

                                                        • RandomWords [he/him]
                                                          1·
                                                          4 years ago

                                                          because that dumb shit rule that old dudes care still leads to the teachers getting their heads cut off, which is fucked.

                                                          it needs to be mentioned that that shit should be changed, that the extremists are wrong in doing that shit in the first place, as well as people who antagonize them in first place.

                                                          and lumping everyone who criticizes it into being an islamphob even contributes to the perpetuation of the extremism in the first place.

                                                          extremists/fundamentalists should be criticized right along side bigots, because they're both shitty takes.

                                                            • RandomWords [he/him]
                                                              1·
                                                              4 years ago

                                                              because you began by attacking someone who criticized it, and then attacked even the idea of a nuanced position and looking at the different perspectives of the conversation.

                                                              i'm not using anything as 'evidence' and i'm coming to a better understanding of your position, but you need to explain clearly how you feel about shit, as in

                                                              the mention of how stupid it is should go hand in hand with the discussion in the first place.