They fended off the US military and they did so until a ceasefire was reached as they'd been demanding from the start.
I'd say Israel won by getting to kill and displace thousands while annexing territory, but every day the Palestinian people survive is a victory in it's own way.
the conventional army loses if it does not win. the guerilla wins if it does not lose.
It’s hard to call it winning when your side gets decimated and traumatized. More like surviving.
Israel cannot claim victory on any front:
Gaza - Most of the hostages will return in bodybags because Netanyahu insisted that he could militarily defeat Hamas. We know this was a cover for genocide but Israelis aren't going to ignore the fact that Israel essentially sacrificed their own civilians for no benefit. Hamas will grow in size, domestic support will grow, and now there's a bunch of unexploded bombs to be repurposed for rockets, tandem warheads, and traps.
West Bank - The Palestine authority is quickly losing control of the situation which has continued to escalate for months.
Domestically - Israelis are tearing eachother apart. Thousands are displaced, thousands more are fleeing to their original countries. The political turmoil before the war has only grown.
Lebanon - Despite killing Nasrallah, they failed spectacularly in their invasion despite the best of the Israeli army being dedicated to the northern front. At best, they severed the support front at great cost. Even today, many Israelis aren't able to return to the North.
Iran - Beyond the assassination of Haniyeh, Israel was totally defeated by Iran in the air. Their best planned retaliation strike barely touched the capabilities of Iranian missiles, and only pushed them towards nuclearisation.
Yemen - Weekly strikes against Sana'a, 18 MQ9 Reapers, and one F-18 later, Israel's southern port is bankrupt and AnsarAllah has embarrassed the largest naval fleet of all time.
The only front Israel genuinely achieved military success was Syria, but so far they've struggled to capitalise on the overthrow of Assad beyond taking a few towns beyond the UN DMZ.
Humanitarian wise this is a disaster but Israel was pulled into a quagmire it had no idea how to win beyond genocide, and even then it has eventually chosen to stand down. If Israel could have "won" in Gaza they would've kept fighting.
I know you all mean well with this sentiment but it’s not a victory to lose hundreds of thousands of your friends and family. Too many innocents died to be thankful for the silver lining. Yeah there are some left over who get to pick up the pieces and “survive” but it’s going to be shit even given the ceasefire, ie, the bare minimum. There is no abstract Palestinian squatting above the world who survived the conflict, there are many Palestinians who forever lost the chance to see liberation in life because they were martyred.
I hate to say it but I agree with this sentiment; this was just a genocide, and the Israelis got to revel in killing a ton of Palestinians while barely being scratched for it. No adult can bear the trauma of Gaza over the last fifteen months, and yet this is the reality for its children. The only positive to come out of this is that hopefully Israel has burned its goodwill from most countries around the world, but this genocide frankly has only made an end to the apartheid in the same vein as South Africa literally impossible. Most of Gaza has been turned to rubble and who knows how they're supposed to rebuild especially is Israel still won't allow concrete into Gaza and won't allow what it would take to begin to fix it all up. The trauma the people living there are facing is worse than any soldier has ever known, and worse, they'll never see justice for it.
What silver lining there is, the Gazans won't feel it; the only comfort I've seen they have is what few of them are celebrating the ceasefire. If this ceasefire is permanent (and I have zero idea if it will be or not), then there's also the matter of if Israel will resume the blockade or not, putting them back to where they were on October 6th but this time with much loss of loved ones, loss of limbs, loss of infrastructure and a landscape of rubble and bodies; and the 'international community' can't be relied upon to get their act together.
Yes, thanks I agree. It feels wrong for me, as an outsider, to try to find the good in the situation. It’s just not my place to say that. Palestinians should have their own voice and speak for themselves, instead of trying to set the tone ourselves. It didn’t happen to me personally— how can I say whether it was worth it? To that end, was it even a choice to begin with?
My stance is to be supportive where I can but to never to coddle.
Unless it is a true and successful revolution of the working class against capital, there will be no winners in war.
Israel was hoping to get end gaza for once and all. Now they get nothing more than they had before. That is a victory for the Palestinians
And they found out the effects of us not having free education.
And even if it wasn't their intended objective, they made the US and IDF navies look foolish and ineffective.
They're easily the biggest winners from the axis of resistance. The rest of the resistance faced some substantial losses, but they prevailed.
That won't be counted as a win for them, but Western media will say that Ukraine won as long as literally all of it isn't annexed by Russia.
I choose to believe that The Ghost of Sanaa shot down that F-18
