• hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        these months would have happened anyway and are/would be more of a radicalization deal for way more people than your socdem bernie voters

        Deteriorating material conditions aren't enough to push people left -- they'll get radicalized, alright, but not necessarily in the right direction.

        To radicalize people to the left you also need (1) a critique of capitalism and (2) a vision for how leftist policies could do better. That's why Medicare for All was such a great rallying cry for Bernie; it did both for a huge problem that everyone has at least some interaction with. If you get people moving in that direction then what radicalizes them is all the Bernie-adjacent people who are farther, more formally left, not someone on Fox News screaming that immigrants are the problem.

        • Crispo [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          I think that depends on the chapter. BLM LA are communists as far as I can tell. The organizers were talking to the crowds about Marx and the dialectic at marches.

            • Crispo [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              I’ve been super fucking impressed by them actually.

              They had us doing the Assata Shakur chant:

              “It is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.”

          • newmou [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Damn here in Portland any sort of BLM leaders are dedicated libs. Barely any overt connection being made between racist oppression and capitalist structures from anyone with a megaphone

      • NationalizeMSM [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Yea, this pandemic would be a really wild ride, politically, if Bernie was the nominee. And that is exactly why the effort went into his campaign. But the deeper question always was, "is there a tipping point, where the left can win electorally? Or is electoralism within the grip of power to a degree that it will always be abused to prevent real power distribution.