not voting for trump but low key hope biden doesnt win so the material conditions of a failing America will be on full display

  • DonCheadleInTheWH [any]
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    4 years ago

    Michael Moore, Glenn Greenwald, and Noam Chomsky (while imperfect) are actually really, really, really good.

    Also, Cornell West and Russell Brand are in the 99.999%-tile of language fluency.

    • karl [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Folks may not like it, but Michael Moore has been right about pretty much everything.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        When someone's right often enough, you don't disown them for one bad take here or there. A bad action? OK, that's different. But a few shitty opinions in a sea of good ones should be critiqued and discarded; you shouldn't write off the whole person.

        Everything in this comment applies to left unity, too.

        • DonCheadleInTheWH [any]
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          4 years ago

          "He tweeted Michelle Obama should run for President, which I consider an actionable offense." - some dog-eared misanthrope

          Moore holds the surreal, distinguished honor of being loathed by the triumvirate of libs, conservatives, and tankies alike.

          • Communist_Dad [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            I feel like there is something to his idea of a michelle obama presidency.

            Imagine how she might act during these protests, or occupy over Barack. Maybe she would listen a little more to public pressure, maybe her precense in the white house would exacerbate the fascist esthetic without pushing us straight into fascism the way the racists would behave while material conditions will continue to suck might be enough to not have a bunch of people go back to sleep.

            I'm fairly certain Trump has little to do with the anger in my extended family.

            I only say all of this, becayse I am sure Michael Moore is putting just slightly more thought into it than democrats love her.

            I could be totally wrong

            • DonCheadleInTheWH [any]
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              4 years ago

              Given the present dystopia, I think just about every shit talker would prefer M.Obama over Biden.

              • Communist_Dad [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Oh yeah i guess that's what it comes down to.

                I used to get annoyed at the idea of it when it's brought, because to my knowledge she has worked on hospital finance boards, which worries me she would really gum up the M4A fight.

                But... She would most drfinitely be easier to pressure, not because she is weak or anything, but because i feel like she might actually care

    • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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      4 years ago

      Question about Michael Moore: Having watched Capitalism: A Love Story recently, I noticed quite a few things in there that appeared to be leftist dog whistles, especially at the end. Is there a chance that Moore might be at least somewhat of a closet comrade, or am I just hearing what I want to hear?

      • DonCheadleInTheWH [any]
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        4 years ago

        He's a Democratic Socialist, no bones about it. His blood runs red, but he still naively believes in electoralism.

        • pooh [she/her, love/loves]
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          4 years ago

          I think his primary role is that of a propagandist, and I mean that in a good way, of course. His job is to highlight the hypocrisy and inherent unfairness of the system to ordinary people, and he's been relatively successful at that. I don't disagree that he's genuinely democratic socialist, but if his message did suddenly become more radical and "outside the mainstream", would he be able to reach as many people as he has been able to reach so far?

    • hauntingspectre [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The best kind of unpopular opinion, where you instinctually head for the downvote button only to remember what thread you're in.

    • josefjohann [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Michael Moore, Glenn Greenwald, and Noam Chomsky (while imperfect) are actually really, really, really good.

      Didn't realize that was an unpopular opinion. You're right though imo.