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  • emizeko [they/them]
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    if Stephen Paddock had been a muslim the USA would have tried to make it illegal for muslims to own guns or some shit

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    Police initially attempted to subdue the attackers using tear-gas shells but were unable to do so, before shooting four suspects and arresting one.

    Radio Free Asia Special Report: China Gassing Its Own Citizens

  • KiaKaha [he/him]
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    Someone explain to me how the only China content that makes the front page is Xinjiang or struggle sessions about SWCC.

    There’s a shitton of content sitting over in !sino. Can we do something more interesting?

    Gush over tree planting, or nail bite over South China Sea escalation, or discuss politburo power struggles, or the economic challenges of dual circulation, or something.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      the post is a response to the anti-Islamic policy discussions in France in reaction to one person getting beheaded

      you are welcome to post about all that stuff

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      I deleted the post since it was poorly crafted anyway

      gonna go post about greening deserts thank you for the suggestion

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    I mean, there was a terror attack in Nice that killed 86 and injured 458 people in 2016.

    This seems like a weird stand to make.

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      and France's planned policy response wasn't material improvements for the muslim community. their plan was "forced psych evaluation" and "patriotic education"

      maybe comparing the policy responses is the entire point

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        You didn't bring that up though, you made a post saying that China is justified due to an attack whereas in France it was just "an adult gets beheaded". If you wanted to talk about policies maybe you should have brought some up rather than "REAL SHIT, START UP SOME MISERABLE DUNGEONS".

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          saying that China is justified due to an attack whereas in France

          justified in taking an entirely different policy response? oh gee, that sounds like a comparison

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    Sorry, but this is literally the rightoid "MS-13 ergo child cages" argument

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      uhh how are training centers comparable to child cages dude

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        Unless you wanna get into pretty far-flung denial of the facts we know, they appear to be detention centers where people are forcibly held apart from their families

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          wrong, before the training center program ended entirely last December, students could live resident or go home on evenings and weekends.

          do you know about the falsified BBC report?

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            In September there were several credible reports that a few dozen new detention centers were built this year

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              will look for those, but would appreciate any links you happen to have

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      Except MS-13 is a made up threat while this is literally an active terrorist separatist movement sponsored by several foreign powers.

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      Good comparison if those children in cages were an active militant separatist and jihadist threat that literally have tens of thousands of fighters all over Syria/Libya/Afghanistan and have been documented many, many times joining ISIS, Al Qaeda and Al Nusra to get experience for (NED funded) separatism in China

      Here's an article worth studying

      https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/07/22/march-of-the-uyghurs/

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        Again, you can completely graft that line of reasoning onto MS-13

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      the two policy responses are entirely different so how does that make any sense

      it's also the US argument for droning people but China's not droning

      you might say comparing the policy responses is the entire fucking point

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      sensing potential for a "how it started/how it's going" image post with that next to some of today's rhetoric

      • BladeRunner [he/him]
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        After a few hours of fact checking, bot is right, I did not find the French media‘s comment…

        The power of misleading is terrible,sorry for that

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        After a few hours of fact checking, I found this , and you are right, I did not find the French media‘s comment...

        The power of misleading is terrible. Thanks for your vigilance

  • Juche_Gang [none/use name]
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    Damn this site is pretty based

    r/sino 🤝 chapo.chat ...and we love to see it

  • Poetjustice [he/him]
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    If the Ugyhur camps actually exist at the capacity that western countries believe nothing justifies genocide and we should absolutely join the libs in being mad about them. But there’s already a lot of it disproven as propaganda

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      this response baffles me, I feel like a bunch of people missed the body text entirely due to the design of this site

      how is it not okay to compare the policy responses being discussed after this death in France to the way the western world talked shit and lied about a fucking training program in China? it's not like this attack is even common knowledge

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          meh I guess I will delete it since you're a mod with that green M and shit, who cares since the planet's going to burst into flame anyway.

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          yeah it was a late-night shitpost and I probably should have gone into more detail in the body text which several people missed anyway

          whatever I'm not gonna delete it now people obviously still believe way too much CIA bullshit about Xinjiabng

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      is Gitmo a training center where students can go home on evenings and weekends?

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        "Re-education" camps should not exist. Change my mind. We had internment camps where I'm from. It was a fucked up idea then and even more fucked up now. Doesn't matter who's doing it. Separatists of my background killed many innocents in pursuit of a goal that I shared. Should I have been interned? If so, kindly get fucked.

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          “Re-education” camps should not exist. Change my mind

          neither should international capital reaction, but here we are

          Should I have been interned?

          how would you expect me to answer this without knowing the details, motivation and circumstances? was it vocational classes and were you allowed to go home on evenings and weekends like in Xinjiang? were you helped with job placement? were you a counterrevolutionary or was there reason to suspect you were?

  • skollontai [any]
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    Disgusting Islamophobic fearmongering should not have this vote ratio on Chapo. Sad to see. I hope this sort of thing doesn't turn off the libs before we get enough to outnumber the China gang.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      sounds like comparing policy responses already turned off one lib and made them pretend in bad-faith that this post was about Islam

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        Lol, seems like you're a little sore because people aren't reacting to your reactionary "look at this terrorist attack, guys" post the way you thought they would. You only get 100% upvoted on this kind of thing on the Donald.

        "Comparing policy responses", ha, so I guess now that repressing an entire group is a valid response to terrorism you're pro gitmo, pro Swiss "acculturation" classes, etc. Don't pretend this isn't about Islam. Your favorite government certainly doesn't.

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          lol sure, because people at Gitmo are there for classes and get a choice of residing there or going home on evenings and weekends

          Your favorite government certainly doesn’t.

          why are you bringing the DPRK into this?

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            It's amazing, like clockwork, ya'll always bring up the fact that people get to go home on weekends. IIRC, the article you once posted to prove that didn't actually prove it. But the real point is: who gives a shit? How does allowing people to leave on weekends salvage the project and somehow make it not islamophobic to take people who haven't a crime out of their homes because they are "radicalized" or "susceptible to radicalization" (and who decides that, I wonder)?

            Cool, so for you Gitmo is too far, China's policy is a-okay... you must therefore believe European classes for recent Muslim immigrants are not enough, then? The people in those classes only have to go like once a week, seems too lenient given that there have been a number of terrorist attacks in Europe.

            See, I think all of these programs are bad. Makes it easier for me.

            I'm sure you're not a reactionary, you just made a reactionary post. The people's moderation requires that I point that out.

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              See, I think all of these programs are bad. Makes it easier for me.

              then you'll be happy to hear China's training program ended last December,

              utopians still obsessed with liberal notions of individual "freedom" would do nothing while international capital foments massive separatist violence, balkanizes the country, and put all of Xinjiang into exploitation by compradors who open it to markets— but the hands you're sitting on are sparkling clean, and isn't that more important?

              Engels had it right in On Authority

              • skollontai [any]
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                "The top 1% control 30% of the wealth in China, but trust me guys, it's actually existing socialism. Jack Ma is gonna achieve communism by 2080. Trust me guys."

                Yep, I'm the utopian.