IIRC, the account of that killing is heavily disputed. It doesn't come from the Quran itself, but rather from some Hadiths (basically written down accounts of things the Prophet and his companions did) and plenty of past and present Muslim scholars argue that the Hadiths relating to this story are pretty weak in terms of their verifiability, and likely fabricated.
Often Hadiths were forged long after Muhammeds death by people who knew that having a document of the Prophet doing something which supported their point of view could be very advantageous materially/ideologically. Perhaps a ruler centuries wanted a Poet killed, but thought he needed to invent sacred precedent to do so.
There are, however, other Hadiths that suggest Muhammed was a pretty tolerant guy, saying that he once checked on the health a women who threw trash at him everyday and so on. We'll probably never know the actual truth of any of these, because of the frequent unreliability of Hadiths.
For what it's worth here's a post on a Salafi QA website (Salafis are frequently seen in the Global North as the bad kinds of Muslims) which passionately argues that the story of Asma bint Marwan is complete propaganda.
There are, however, other Hadiths that suggest Muhammed was a pretty tolerant guy, saying that he once checked on the health a women who threw trash at him everyday and so on. We’ll probably never know the actual truth of any of these, because of the frequent unreliability of Hadiths.
I meani f you want a more related story, there's a story of Aisha dunking on Muhammad for always having a handy revelation whenever he wants something done, and he's fine with it.
I don't know anything about the poet story though.
Often Hadiths were forged long after Muhammeds death by people who knew that having a document of the Prophet doing something which supported their point of view could be very advantageous
That does make quite a bit of sense, especially in the broader context of Islam (multiple splits and schisms based on who said what/who was related to the prophet). My source on this was just lazy googling, will edit comment accordingly
Kind of; there was allegedly a poet (Asma bint Marwan) who criticized tribesmen who converted to Islam and Mohammed himself via poems. She was allegedly killed, although it is disputed whether this was done on behalf of Mohammed or just the work of a different individual who went after her by himself; it is also disputed as to whether or not this even happened.
Can we stop doing this sanctimonious nonsense? "Woah, are you saying x did y bad thing? Well, maybe that's just cause you are RACIST! No other explanation."
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hah! look, guys, look what i found on pol, this brown savage was craaaazy! haha the fools who believe in him are dumb
edit: stop the comment war. you are both engaging in liberalism and western chauvisnism. as i already said: stop. shut the fuck up. be better.
I mean this just seems like an Abrahamic thing
Would you like to hear about what Christian leaders did?
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IIRC, the account of that killing is heavily disputed. It doesn't come from the Quran itself, but rather from some Hadiths (basically written down accounts of things the Prophet and his companions did) and plenty of past and present Muslim scholars argue that the Hadiths relating to this story are pretty weak in terms of their verifiability, and likely fabricated.
Often Hadiths were forged long after Muhammeds death by people who knew that having a document of the Prophet doing something which supported their point of view could be very advantageous materially/ideologically. Perhaps a ruler centuries wanted a Poet killed, but thought he needed to invent sacred precedent to do so.
There are, however, other Hadiths that suggest Muhammed was a pretty tolerant guy, saying that he once checked on the health a women who threw trash at him everyday and so on. We'll probably never know the actual truth of any of these, because of the frequent unreliability of Hadiths.
For what it's worth here's a post on a Salafi QA website (Salafis are frequently seen in the Global North as the bad kinds of Muslims) which passionately argues that the story of Asma bint Marwan is complete propaganda.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/177694/the-story-of-the-killing-of-asma-bint-marwaan-is-false
I meani f you want a more related story, there's a story of Aisha dunking on Muhammad for always having a handy revelation whenever he wants something done, and he's fine with it. I don't know anything about the poet story though.
Interesting, was not aware of this:
That does make quite a bit of sense, especially in the broader context of Islam (multiple splits and schisms based on who said what/who was related to the prophet). My source on this was just lazy googling, will edit comment accordingly
See above comment by T_Doug.
Kind of; there was allegedly a poet (Asma bint Marwan) who criticized tribesmen who converted to Islam and Mohammed himself via poems. She was allegedly killed, although it is disputed whether this was done on behalf of Mohammed or just the work of a different individual who went after her by himself; it is also disputed as to whether or not this even happened.
like to be fair as a poet myself it is fine not a huge loss for the world really
no you should shut the actual fuck up and be smarter
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"get it right the first time without needing to be corrected" ok
Can we stop doing this sanctimonious nonsense? "Woah, are you saying x did y bad thing? Well, maybe that's just cause you are RACIST! No other explanation."
this discourse always feeds into liberal imperialism against the history of * the others* . we shouldnt discuss it in these terms