get your fucking head on straight

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
    1·
    4 years ago

    I'll absolutely give Obama credit for Cuba and Iran. Those were two great things he did. He also did shit like bombing Libya to the point where they now have literal slave markets, and helped create the power vacuum that led to ISIS in the Middle East. Trump hasn't started a war, and the blood on his hands is definitely less than Obama.

    • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
      6·
      4 years ago

      Trump hasn't started a war, but he has tried to start a war with Iran. And he has worsened every single war Obama inherited and started. More bombings, more drone strikes, more troops on the ground.

      • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
        3·
        4 years ago

        And then he backed down despite the advice of his generals. Trump is not beholden to the American imperial apparatus in the way that Obama et al were and will be, and that's partially why they hate him so much.

        • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
          6·
          4 years ago

          How the fuck is killing Soleimani backing down? Why is everyone in this thread ignoring that?

            • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
              3·
              4 years ago

              If Clinton or whoever were in that position

              They wouldn't have tanked the Iran nuclear deal and then started a regional crisis on Twitter.

                • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
                  3·
                  4 years ago

                  Whatever you think of the Iran deal, it sure as shit wasn't assassinating Iranians and nearly starting a war.

                  Watching so many otherwise sensible leftists bend over backwards to defend Trump is fucking embarrassing. Shit like this absolutely hurts the left because any ordinary person can see that going from peace to military exchanges is bad.

            • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
              7·
              4 years ago

              He did not "puss out". He is currently actively antagonizing Iran, stealing their oil tankers and weapon shipments. He did that this week.

                • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
                  6·
                  4 years ago

                  All we have to go on here is history. Obama de-escalated with Iran. Trump escalated more than any president since the coup.

                  Edit: can somebody please fucking refute this claim instead of just downvoting it?

                  • Civility [none/use name]
                    1·
                    4 years ago

                    A thing I wrote earlier about US relations with Iran under the Trump and Obama adminstrations:

                    It wasn’t a “diplomatic agreement” it was fucking extortion to get Iran to stop their nuclear program cos if they succeeded it would get a lot harder to coup them.

                    The USA broke their side of the “agreement” the month the deal was signed when they never halted sanctions like they’d agreed to.

                    Iran is in a bettter position now than at the end of Obama’s second term. Obama’s deal left Iran under moderate sanctions (a blatant violation of the deal as it was written) and under the threat that if UN inspectors weren’t satisfied their nuclear program wasn’t happening those sanctions would increase to cripping levels. The Trump administratoin increased US Sanctions on Iran but the loss of US soft power under his regime led to the UN declining to extend UN sanctions following the assasination despite the US pushing for those sanctions to be extended. As it stands the UN sactions on Iran are set to expire in October 2020, the US’ unilateral sanctions are increasingly inneffective as the US’ economic hegemony deteriorates and the Iranian nuclear program has more enriched fissible material stockpiled and is presumably closer to producing a nuclear deterrent than it ever has been.

                    The Trump regime has been a fucking gift to Ali Khamenei and the people of Iran.