At first I was debating if it would be 4 or 8 years, but now I'm pretty confident they'd just get one term, not 2.

Cuz we all know damn well they're not gonna do jack shit to actually fix anything, America will still overall be in decline, and all the people who aren't lib cultists are gonna be pissed about that.

They can't skate by just on charisma like Obama did.

Not to mention the chuds will likely want revenge for getting the first one-termer in decades, so they'll be extra motivated to get even.

Just how bad do you think the next abomination the Republicans shit out will be?

I think they're gonna make Trump look like amateur hour.

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    Honestly, there are a multitude of ways this could go but BIden retiring and Kamala running not as the sitting president is the best shot we got at a progressive challenger winning who would unquestionably stand a better chance against whatever Republican they end up running.

    Not that the dem party won't again do everything possible to torpedo that possibility and not that I even see it as the most likely primary scenario we'll get, but it's the best possible one I see given how amazingly unpopular Kamala is. I think Kamala stands a very likely chance of losing to whatever the Republicans run even if they're another incompetent idiot like Trump.

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      You still think the DNC is going to allow a progressive to win after all their dirty tricks against Sanders? He isn't even the first. They did similar dirty tricks against Howard Dean and before him, there was Jesse Jackson. You can go all the way back to them nominating Hubert Humphrey in the 60s when over 80% of the votes in that primary went to anti-war candidates.

      The Democratic party is historically, a graveyard for social movements and ideals. The few times they have moved left in history, they had to be dragged, kicking and screaming the entire time like with civil rights.

      That party is fine with losing to Republicans, cause they rather work with them than anything to the left of the center.

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        You still think the DNC is going to allow a progressive to win after all their dirty tricks against Sanders?

        No, I specifically said I expect them to do the same again, I listed the best possible scenario I see conducive to being able to make an attempt at a progressive campaign. I did not say it is likely to happen much less succeed.

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          Electoralism has failed us. Progressives should abandon that rotten party and push to create a real third party to replace the joke that is the Green party.

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        The Democratic party is historically, a graveyard for social movements and ideals. The few times they have moved left in history, they had to be dragged, kicking and screaming the entire time like with civil rights.

        The New Deal was a pyrrhic victory Despite all the benefits, we are stuck with the burden of the Dems being the "Left" in this country just because of the fluke of Roosevelt being of the right mind at the right moment.

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      I was optimistic about Bernie winning earlier. And I think he probably would've won the general. But there's no way the Dems let any decent lefty candidate win the primary. They straight up faked the vote counts.

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        Yeah the problem given our insure election infrastructure is winning isn't good enough, you need to win by a large enough margin that machines won't flip enough votes and the polling margin is so large it's not a question who wins going in. The dems had to play a lot of cards in the primary to try to not only crunch that margin and give the perception of a Biden surge, but also obscure what the real numbers were going into super tuesday, that I think was unusually bold amount of flipping for how it's normally done. Had that been in some third world country you'd immediately have western nations condemning that as election fraud.