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  • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    As a personal anecdote - I knew kids who joined the Party in college because it meant that they would be able to get better finance jobs.

    Why is that a bad thing? Would you prefer if success in finanace wasn't contingent on joinging the party?

    • Reganoff2 [none/use name]
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      I would prefer if the Party had a hostile attitude to the idea of finance, frankly. Having posters at econ schools that have mottos along the lines of "March with the Party - start your own company!" does not scream hostile to capital to me. Yes, I am not joking - it exists.

      • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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        Well we can prefer it until we are blue in the face, but it's not really going to stop them from doing it. I guess at the end of the day, after our revolution we will have to choose whether or not to implement dengist policies based on the material conditions at play in our own path towards communism.

        • Reganoff2 [none/use name]
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          Dengist policies were not pursued out of material necessity - it was an ideological choice. By erasing the Maoist legacy (read the Party's 1980 statement of the Party's historical achievements) they were able to suggest that there was no choice but the path they took and that ultimately nothing about their class character or driving political economical concerns changed. But these policies were opposed by plenty of intellectuals, workers, peasants etc and some of that opposition has lived several afterlives even today (wildcat strikes, resistance against forced removals etc). To say so matter of fact that ah the Party will just do what it says and if doesn't matter what anyone thinks seems to me to entirely ignore the conscious decisions made in favor and against certain types of policy.

        • anthm17 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          We can stop pretending it’s anything but capitalism.

          • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            I can't imagine they care very much what you think.

            But let's pretend for a moment our opnions are even remotely important on how Chinese people should run their country. I don't really get your point. If the priniple contradiction is Imperialism seems to me their focus should be on anti-imperialism. What would you do differently?

            • anthm17 [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              It’s not about convincing them it’s about what exactly our vision is here.

              • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                Let me rephrase. What's the biggest threat to China. Capitalism, or the USA?

                • anthm17 [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Capitalism. Easily.

                  Capitalism is the biggest threat to the species.

                  • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    Ok, let me try again. What's a bigger threat chinese national self determination.

    • anthm17 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The party is now populated by finance groups.

      Do you see the issue yet?