• Saif [he/him]
    5·
    4 years ago

    sure, if that's the tack you want to go on. now that we've established islam has been racialized, and that it's extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression (again take 5 seconds to look at the discourse), can we agree it's fucking racist to do it? and there's precedence of course - culture is a fickle thing and anything can be turned into a slur with enough effort by racists, and we're not even talking about a word, we're talking about elaborately drawing something lmao.

    • Amorphous [any]
      12·
      4 years ago

      sure, if that’s the tack you want to go on. now that we’ve established islam has been racialized, and that it’s extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression

      why is it racial oppression to draw pictures of some guy? it's against muslims religious beliefs, but we're not talking about a religion here, we're talking about a race.

      • Saif [he/him]
        5·
        4 years ago

        because racists have turned it into racial oppression? i just said culture is a fickle thing and this is how racial slurs and racial oppression develops, just look at blackface.

        • GravenImage [none/use name]
          2·
          4 years ago

          this is how racial slurs and racial oppression develops, just look at blackface.

          Liberals literally have history backwards. It was the historic material conditions of black exploitation which generated the superstructure of anti-black culture in order to rationalize the existing state of affairs.

        • Amorphous [any]
          14·
          4 years ago

          blackface is mockery of a specific race's features. drawing muhammad is mockery of a specific religion's rules. how is there any similarity?

          • Saif [he/him]
            8·
            4 years ago

            i don't know how many times i have to keep saying this - racial oppression develops culturally, meaning there could be no logic to it but it becomes racist anyway due to the usage by racists for that purpose. for example, a lot of slurs have literally no etymological meaning, such as the "G" word used against Asians. you are trying to make racism seem logical, when it isn't and never has been.

            • GravenImage [none/use name]
              5·
              4 years ago

              i don’t know how many times i have to keep saying this

              maybe because it's totally wrong?

              racial oppression develops culturally,

              please read Marx

              there could be no logic to it but it becomes racist anyway due to the usage by racists for that purpose

              *bourgeois racists use this 100% logical ideology for the purpose of maintaining exploitative worker relations.

            • Amorphous [any]
              10·
              4 years ago

              so when and how am i allowed to criticize those who wish to impose their religious rules on me?

              • Saif [he/him]
                7·
                4 years ago

                it's just a word guys stop imposing your rules on me i can say it whenever i want

                  • Saif [he/him]
                    4·
                    4 years ago

                    no, but being black could be described as a "din" interestingly enough, which Islam describes itself as, as the English word "religion" and its connotations did not exist in classical Arabic. Would you like to learn things from an Islamic perspective, considering you "have never knowingly interacted with a muslim"?

                    • Amorphous [any]
                      9·
                      4 years ago

                      ok so how do i state my disinterest in following their religious rules without being racist?

                      • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
                        3·
                        4 years ago

                        No one asks that you follow ramadan don't work on fridays or quit eating pork. You can even draw mohammed in your own home. But drawing muhammad in our society with it's context has been made into a racist attack on Muslims. I don't know if dogwhistle is the right term, but it is similar, i think.

            • oralcumshot [hy/hym]
              12·
              4 years ago

              It's baffling how stupid liberals like you don't realize that by being so afraid of even talking about or being associated with some, basically neutral thing, be it a meme, a subculture, scene or social space online that the right has even so much as vaguely tried to associate itself with, they are literally ceding ground and surrendering said thing to the right. The right barely has to do any effort to take over something it seems, just make the vaguest gesture that said thing is their turf and culture war obsessed lefties immediately hand it over to them because they are obsessed with appearing pure and free of anything even vaguely "problematic".

              You are a fucking idiot and in a perfect world you would be born without hands so that no one would ever have to read your shitty posts. Inshallah that happens to you one day

              • GravenImage [none/use name]
                1·
                4 years ago

                make the vaguest gesture that said thing is their turf and culture war obsessed lefties immediately hand it over to them because they are obsessed

                This is what happens when you're an idealistic liberal. Marxists know that historical material conditions are the base from which all these superstructure ideologies are formed. If an idea is racist, it's because the material world you live in is racist, like it's the symptom of a deeper disease.