gender is socially constructed. saying that you prefer "natural born women" is exactly like saying you prefer people who weren't "born a criminal"

  • BOK6669 [none/use name]
    2·
    4 years ago

    I didn't say that trans people are transgressive or abnormal though. I did say that cis people are the overwhelming majority for better or worse. That's just a fact, I think there are a lot of repressed people out there as well. So I don't like it but it is what it is.

    Please stop fixing these values that are not representative of me.

    • gay [any]
      2·
      4 years ago

      Please stop fixing these values that are not representative of me.

      Everybody is transphobic and everybody believes in these "values", even trans people. You have to actively fight against that in order to get rid of that.

      Internalized transphobia is the reason you made the first (transphobic) comment. Same goes to homophobia.

    • the_river_cass [she/her]
      2·
      4 years ago

      I'm not saying you literally said that, I'm talking about a whole family of ideas that stems from that belief.

      cis and trans are made up categories that only exist because of the violence done to trans people. saying most people are cis us like saying most Americans are white - well, yeah, but the point is how that happened.

      again: would you react to someone pointing out racism in your comments the same way? this site's fragility is something else.

        • the_river_cass [she/her]
          2·
          4 years ago

          that's fine but to @gay's point, I'm addressing your internalized transphobia and asking you to work on it.

            • the_river_cass [she/her]
              2·
              4 years ago
              1. asking trans people to mind cis feelings in calling out their bullshit (I'm especially annoyed at the suggestion that basic empathy is too much to ask for because cis people don't share our experiences). this is cisnormative.
              2. the belief at the root of your original post saying that not being attracted to trans people is natural. this is also cisnormative.
              • BOK6669 [none/use name]
                3·
                4 years ago

                Well, I'm kind of seeing you two bully this entire thread, even other trans people. There's a lot "if x then y" accusations you're making which is unfair. As you read the thread, clearly "y" is not what the person often if ever meant. It gives no faith to the person you're talking to, which in turn makes them obviously defensive. Which you pre-emptively attack them for.

                When you talk to any human being, it's not acceptable to do these kinds of things. This isn't just a cis-fragility thing, this one is on you too.

                1. I didn't say that. You filled in the blanks with the worst possible version that you're currently were already upset about, in a very vague statement which I have since clarified.