i know it sounds unbelievable, but here in brazil the same thing happened to bolsonaro

this is referring to the additional votes that he got this time and excluding the ricardo von hausstoffens, obviously

american workers (and minorities are usually the most exploited of them), like brazilians, associate their livelihoods to being able to work and have no trust that the government would ever truly help them pay their bills

trump and bolsonaro's propaganda tying responsible handling of the pandemic to "shutting down the economy and destroying millions of jobs" is extremely effective

this is especially bad for biden because he admitted he wasn't even trying to reach latino communities, so i bet all they got was republican propaganda saying biden would shut everything down and they wouldn't be able to pay their rent

it works and partially explains why bolsonaro's approval rating actually went up during covid, despite how much he fucked up

and of course it doesn't help that every time we talk about china and vietnam being successful the fucking libs join the fash saying both are lying commies

  • Steely_Gaige [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    While I agree with some of what you're saying here, I don't think this adds up to covid had zero effect on the election.

    I think you're making a separate, unrelated point to what op is saying.

    • concessaoprasorrir [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      it's actually 100% related, because my point stems from his

      Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats offer any real material benefit for voters.

      true, and they know it. but this is a reason to not vote

      but in that context, and the current situation, if the other side says "they're gonna take away your jobs" - and reality has given you good reason to believe they'll end up doing that - now that's a reason to go out and vote

      • Steely_Gaige [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I accept what you're saying and I agree with it, but your point was referencing Trump's framing of covid, while they're saying it had zero effect. It's kind of a pedantic point, I just think covid certainly affected the election.

    • Churnthrow123 [none/use name]
      3·
      4 years ago

      The online Left vastly overestimates how much people give a shit about Covid, and how much people blame Trump for a "failure". Trump's failure is the exact same failure as every European nation who are spiking just as hard as the US. It's a structural issue with neoliberalism and its inability to make any sort of collective action stick or come up with any new ideas.

      • concessaoprasorrir [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The online Left vastly overestimates how much people give a shit about Covid

        "online Left" nice assumption there

        what we've been hearing from workers here is literally "yes i'd like to stay home, but i'd rather risk getting covid than not buying food"

        it's not that they don't care, it's that they can't

        • Churnthrow123 [none/use name]
          3·
          4 years ago

          Yeah, everybody would love a vacation from work, no shit.

          A lockdown only works if you use the time to build the capacity for mass testing, targeted quarantines (outside of the home), contact tracing, and hospital capacity. That's what Asia did, and that's why they succeeded. "Stay the fuck home" is a strategy to buy time, not an actual cure.

          The US and Europe did a lockdown, and it was a fucking disaster because we learned nothing and did nothing during that time. You can shut everything down until the end of time, but if you don't actually invest in productive solutions you just end up right back where you started.