The worst part about Trump not being president is how disengaged everyone will now become. Irs sickening.

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    AGAIN, A VACCINE ISN'T SAFE BECAUSE IT'S A VACCINE.

    IT'S SAFE BECAUSE IT WENT THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS.

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      Yep, the same rigorous process that all vaccines go through before they are released. The same rigorous process the covid19 vaccines are going through. That's why when the vaccine is released, we can be reasonably sure it will be safe. Thank you for agreeing with me and giving up your antivax bullshit.

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        FDA head considered ending phase three trials early and rolling out vaccines ahead of time under emergency use authorization.

        This was before two studies were halted due to unexplained illness.

        Of one of the studies that was halted, AZD1222, there's still controversy amongst scientists that it restarted prematurely.

        A substance isn't automatically safe because it calls itself a vaccine.

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          Wow scary, i guess the case is closed, covid vaccines are untrustworthy form here on out

          A substance isn’t automatically safe because it calls itself a vaccine.

          Right. A vaccine is safe when it is proven to be safe through testing. Which is what's going on right now. Or are you just going to pretend they're not doing any testing?

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            Are your lobes mirror smooth or are you intentionally trying to misunderstand me?

            So, you're saying that there's no way whatsoever, that either market pressures, the federal gov't, or both, can even potentially rush through a vaccine? Like, it's physically impossible? Can't ever happen, ever?

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              So, you’re saying that there’s no way whatsoever, that either market pressures, the federal gov’t, or both, can even potentially rush through a vaccine? Like, it’s physically impossible? Can’t ever happen, ever?

              It could happen, sure, but there would be plenty of evidence that it had happened because there would be steps in the testing process which they would have to skip. As a result, during the vaccine's release, doctors everywhere would basically be shouting from the rooftops "DONT TAKE THAT FUCKING VACCINE"

              Doesn't seem like rushing something through like that would work very well to me.

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                If it gets released by an emergency use authorization, it, by definition, is skipping steps.

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                  good thing that hasnt happened then, eh?

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                    Yeah, because we don't have a vaccine yet.

                    But if it's an EUA one, whenever it does land, you take it first and I'll wait a few months.

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                doctors everywhere would basically be shouting from the rooftops “DONT TAKE THAT FUCKING VACCINE”

                It's not like there hasn't ever been incidents of money influencing research. Even outside of pharmaceuticals there's been: Fracking, the effects of sugar on heart disease, greenhouse gasses, secondhand smoke, I know there's more.

                With opioids, the science was technically never on the companies' side, yet they still managed to make it appear as if it was, even creating a fictitious label of "opiophobe" to pressure doctors into using them. They didn't have to influence the actual studies. They just had to influence the medical profession, and they did.

                In all these instances, there wasn't any screaming from the rooftops. There were a smattering of professionals in their respective fields showing caution or concern, then getting shut down, usually through vicious personal attacks. And it took years for the sunshine to work its way in.

                Unsafe medication isn't ahistoric, but a shouting from the rooftops is.

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              Do you have any evidence that I stole the cookies from the cookie jar?

              Well I have this article that says you considered taking the cookies from the cookie jar.

              lmao just go look in the fucking cookie jar then, they're still there idiot

              and then you jump in and act like im being unreasonable