Yeah they can both die in a fire as far as I'm concerned. Labour is labour and it's always degrading. We're always selling our bodies for something, and the fact that true sexual liberation has been co-opted by a shitty movie industry that pressures people into doing shit they don't really want to do for money and ruins lives is Not Great. Some women feel very empowered by being in porn and that's fantastic and great, but until women (and men) can truly own the product of their own bodies it's always going to be bad. Sex workers are comrades all the way, the people that employ them not so much.
PornHub is not Netflix. They're more like YouTube, complete with a bunch of pirated commercial content that's deliberately obfuscated to avoid the robocensors. Until we have Ministries of Health and Culture nurturing erotic artists, emancipation for the individual who wants to mutually aid others by broadcasting sexy energy and enjoying the return energy flow is to be found in the interstices of bourgeois society.
PornHub is owned by the same people that own the biggest porn studios in America, and most of the commercial content on PornHub is 3-minute clips intended to sell subscriptions.
Netflix does not depend on advertisement, so they are not part of the attention economy, and are not promoting other companies and their messages.
An effect of this is clearly seen in how Netflix is LGBTQ friendly while YouTube demonetizes so very much.
Also this does not sound so bad: https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-and-netflix-announce-historic-contract
Good points and well met. A lot of my thinking on this issue is mixed up with objection to the propertization of ideas and culture.
First, I think we agree it's not the specific platform that's the problem, but the details of the arrangement. I'll try to clarify my reservations and criticisms. I support avenues for amateur content, posted in a mutual spirit, asking only for non-monetizable affirmations in return. To me, that suits the definition of mutual aid. I don't support the professionals like Kink.com creating videos as speculative vehicles. My support for online am-pros filling up Clips4Sale with their own personal capital is heavy with contingencies rooted in present material conditions. I can support live shows in principle, since the labor is live and uncrystallized, but I can't support the private sin-tax by strip club owners' profit-taking, whether virtual or down the street. Owner/performer clip store co-ops would be optimal from a labor interest, but the capitalization of what is effectively a derivative of the personal body, which is in a weird way a form of private property, plays into the neoliberal "human capital" framing and gives me pause (or is it buffering).
As to exploitation, Netflix or Kink.com, qua McDonald's, produce lots of exclusive but problematic OC as a paid service. PornHub and YouTube offer a usable service to the general public for lateral cultural distribution, with a lighter, more probabilistic, but still firm Wall Street editorial touch where Thou Shalt Not so much as mention sc*t if you want to have a merchant account next month. If it weren't for the pandemic they're trying to turn into an endemic right now, I'd be much happier if people went outside and got properly and thorougly laid.
There's a strategic goal I really don't want to put up for struggle right now, but there is the fact of the enemy actively attacking the left's lines of communication and coordination, otherwise we'd be at brunch on reddit right now. It wouldn't be the first time in modern history people have had to hide political resistance behind the pressure valves of taboos even the reddest in tooth and desiccated in crotch bourgeoisie dare not cross too publicly for fear of risking blowback and an own goal.
Really I just want that sweet, candle-lit North Korean amateur light-femdom clip with that respectful intermission of a portrait of the Supreme Leader tastefully enshrined on the nightstand.
PornHub also has plenty of revenge porn that people desperately contact admins to remove but get ignored until months later when it has millions of views. :capitalist-laugh:
I don't think you can generalise like that. A lot of sex workers are basically equivalent to the lumpen proletariat in that they act in accordance with a "hustle mentality", don't provide much of socially necessary labour (if any at all) and aspire to become porn producers themselves, exploiting new talent in turn.
Yeah they can both die in a fire as far as I'm concerned. Labour is labour and it's always degrading. We're always selling our bodies for something, and the fact that true sexual liberation has been co-opted by a shitty movie industry that pressures people into doing shit they don't really want to do for money and ruins lives is Not Great. Some women feel very empowered by being in porn and that's fantastic and great, but until women (and men) can truly own the product of their own bodies it's always going to be bad. Sex workers are comrades all the way, the people that employ them not so much.
PornHub is not Netflix. They're more like YouTube, complete with a bunch of pirated commercial content that's deliberately obfuscated to avoid the robocensors. Until we have Ministries of Health and Culture nurturing erotic artists, emancipation for the individual who wants to mutually aid others by broadcasting sexy energy and enjoying the return energy flow is to be found in the interstices of bourgeois society.
PornHub is owned by the same people that own the biggest porn studios in America, and most of the commercial content on PornHub is 3-minute clips intended to sell subscriptions.
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Netflix does not depend on advertisement, so they are not part of the attention economy, and are not promoting other companies and their messages.
An effect of this is clearly seen in how Netflix is LGBTQ friendly while YouTube demonetizes so very much.
Also this does not sound so bad: https://www.sagaftra.org/sag-aftra-and-netflix-announce-historic-contract
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Good points and well met. A lot of my thinking on this issue is mixed up with objection to the propertization of ideas and culture.
First, I think we agree it's not the specific platform that's the problem, but the details of the arrangement. I'll try to clarify my reservations and criticisms. I support avenues for amateur content, posted in a mutual spirit, asking only for non-monetizable affirmations in return. To me, that suits the definition of mutual aid. I don't support the professionals like Kink.com creating videos as speculative vehicles. My support for online am-pros filling up Clips4Sale with their own personal capital is heavy with contingencies rooted in present material conditions. I can support live shows in principle, since the labor is live and uncrystallized, but I can't support the private sin-tax by strip club owners' profit-taking, whether virtual or down the street. Owner/performer clip store co-ops would be optimal from a labor interest, but the capitalization of what is effectively a derivative of the personal body, which is in a weird way a form of private property, plays into the neoliberal "human capital" framing and gives me pause (or is it buffering).
As to exploitation, Netflix or Kink.com, qua McDonald's, produce lots of exclusive but problematic OC as a paid service. PornHub and YouTube offer a usable service to the general public for lateral cultural distribution, with a lighter, more probabilistic, but still firm Wall Street editorial touch where Thou Shalt Not so much as mention sc*t if you want to have a merchant account next month. If it weren't for the pandemic they're trying to turn into an endemic right now, I'd be much happier if people went outside and got properly and thorougly laid.
There's a strategic goal I really don't want to put up for struggle right now, but there is the fact of the enemy actively attacking the left's lines of communication and coordination, otherwise we'd be at brunch on reddit right now. It wouldn't be the first time in modern history people have had to hide political resistance behind the pressure valves of taboos even the reddest in tooth and desiccated in crotch bourgeoisie dare not cross too publicly for fear of risking blowback and an own goal.
Really I just want that sweet, candle-lit North Korean amateur light-femdom clip with that respectful intermission of a portrait of the Supreme Leader tastefully enshrined on the nightstand.
Sex work is work but not all work is created equal in terms of its societal usefulness.
PornHub also has plenty of revenge porn that people desperately contact admins to remove but get ignored until months later when it has millions of views. :capitalist-laugh:
What's that? They want people to lowkey distribute political propaganda on their service? :mao-shining:
I don't think you can generalise like that. A lot of sex workers are basically equivalent to the lumpen proletariat in that they act in accordance with a "hustle mentality", don't provide much of socially necessary labour (if any at all) and aspire to become porn producers themselves, exploiting new talent in turn.