• BillyMays [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    There’s a bit of relief in organizing now. I don’t have to argue with “but he’s worse” argument. Just 4 years of stream of conscious dunking on and bullying libs. And finally once covid is over I can organize.

    • machiavellianRecluse [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Lol get ready for "we have to win back the senate". Although why should Trump is worse matter outside of electoralism?

      Edit: I would like to point out that anti-war protests took a nosedive after Obama. I don't see how labour organizing would depend on Trump or Biden. Looking at what happened in CA it seems to me that even the rulers of the libs are out here to destroy labour.

      • OhWell [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Edit: I would like to point out that anti-war protests took a nosedive after Obama. I don’t see how labour organizing would depend on Trump or Biden. Looking at what happened in CA it seems to me that even the rulers of the libs are out here to destroy labour.

        There were still demonstrations after 2012 when Obama proved that he was a liar and wasn't going to end the war in Iraq.

        Obama strangely ran on being an anti-war president when it came to Iraq, but he was all for the war in Afghanistan despite his big campaign promise that it would be over by 2014.

        As for labour, yeah the Dems are absolutely going to be gunning for it. They didn't push Joe Biden and Kamala Harris for nothing.

        • machiavellianRecluse [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          There were still demonstrations after 2012 when Obama proved that he was a liar and wasn’t going to end the war in Iraq.

          Obama strangely ran on being an anti-war president when it came to Iraq, but he was all for the war in Afghanistan despite his big campaign promise that it would be over by 2014.

          He started new ones in his first term. Where were the crowds then? I know from studies that turnouts reduced dramatically after 2008 and they atribute it to partisan effects. I am curious if you have a source on how the post 2012 protests compared with Bush era ones. Also it sounds amazing that Iraq is still the major focus, when you had Syria, Libya, Yemen started by Obama. Syria did get some attention in the 2016 election cycle as far as I can remember.

          Here is the study from 2011 which only can account for term one ofc.