cultural friedmanism? idk doesn't have the same ring

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Marvel movies with villains who are correct but are coded as explicitly evil

    • Blurst_Of_Times [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      And in the end they're defeated by the main character's individual personal development, and everything returns to the status quo.

      • Waylander [he/him,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        That guy in Black Panther who thinks hereditary monarchy with a side of ritual combat is a fucking stupid way to run a country. Iirc he also thinks it's bad and wrong to be isolationist and leave comrades to die, plus he wants to overthrow the US hegemony by arming oppressed peoples all over the globe.

        The movie ends with him repenting and then dying.

        • kristina [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          yeah i remember that. dude made some great points in the first half and then suddenly turned into a nazi or some weird shit

          • Liberalism [he/him,they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Hack writers love to write a "villain with a point" who "makes you think" but then they can't figure out how to still make them a villain so they just have them kill a bunch of people so the heroes can be like "killing people is wrong!"

            I'd say it's in order to associate the villain's views with evil without actually making an argument, but it's probably just laziness.

            • kristina [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              i mean it seems to me the way you make that conflict happen is make the 'good guy' the king of the place and make the revolutionary a good guy too. the king has a point that hes a good guy and just wants to fix things in a way not too dissimilar, but the other guy has the point to want to get rid of the king, because who knows if their kid is gonna be on board, or who knows if the bureacracy is good

    • JimmyTMalice [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The Legend of Korra does this and it sucks. It turns out it's hard to make a show based around villains who represent political ideologies when you don't understand political ideologies.