EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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        I'm celebrating the increase in life expectancy from 35 to higher than that of the US, actually, which is the win I think it is.

        The point is not the immediate increase in that specific 5 year period, the point is the clear trend of rapid, long term increases after a long period of stagnation, with the pivitol turning point being exactly when the CPC came to power. You're supposed to look at the whole graph.

        • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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          1 year ago

          China never manipulates data coming out of their authoritarian country so good thing we can trust it. I'm sure their life expectancy is great with all their industrial pollution that regularly causes smog in their inner cities.

          • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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            Here is my source do you have a source that disputes that? Or is your belief based entirely on unfalsifiable faith?

            Also curious if you think Chinese life expectancy is still like 35 or what lmao

            You may also be interested in what the World Bank, that infamous communist propaganda rag, has to say:

            Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty.

                • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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                  1 year ago

                  Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. In Fountainhead, she goes in depth about how Chinese life expectancy statistics are generally made up.

                  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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                    1 year ago

                    Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand

                    michael-laugh

                    That's incredible, I honestly did not see that one coming.

                    So tell me, what's your best guess at what Chinese life expectancy was before the CPC came to power, and what do you think it is now? Do you dispute the numbers from before the communists were even in power? Or do you think they're still living in mud huts?

      • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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        My god he can't read a graph. How has our educational system been allowed to fail for this long?

        I'm not committed at all to China as the salvation of the communist project, but it's exactly this sort of self-imposed illiteracy and ignorance, and nearly religious faith in the inferiority and duplicity of The Orient that makes me default to distrusting anything negative a cracker says about it.

        • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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          1 year ago

          Comrade, I also blindly trust any graph as dear leader would have it.

          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png/800px-Trump_holding_altered_Dorian_forecast_map.png

          • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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            1 year ago

            let's skip to the end of the discussion: I say "that's not anything like what I said." you say "yes but you believe those statistics are true???" I say "do you have any good evidence that they're fabricated, and that the life expectancy in China is actually still hovering around 40?" you beg the question, possibly implying that Chinese people are inherently untrustworthy, and accuse me of supporting genocide. There is nothing I can say to you that will instill an ounce of critical thinking ability in you.

            wall-talk

            • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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              1 year ago

              I mean all Hexbear links are essentially the Pravda. It doesn't help when you guys treat Wikipedia like it's somehow the same as conservapedia.com

              • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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                I don't think census data compiled and verified by the UN DESA is Pravda, a publication which does not exist anymore. I quite like Wikipedia and I think it's a very good way to get a quick introductory understanding of a topic which you've just learned about. In this case it prints a similar graph citing the same data, so I don't know why you would mention it to support your strange argument that China's life expectancy has not significantly improved under communism.

                It's not even that outrageous a thing to believe, but you demand that I presume it false because believing that China is a normal country opens the door to believing a whole bunch of other scary things.

                • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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                  1 year ago

                  Why are you pretending like China is communist when they have several stock exchanges? Is that where you exchange MarxBux?

                  Shanghai Stock Exchange: http://english.sse.com.cn/

                  Beijing Stock Exchange: www.bse.cn

                  Shenzhen Stock Exchange: https://www.szse.cn/English/index.html

                  That's more stock exchanges than the US, comrade!

                  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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                    I don't really care whether or not China is communist, or if other people think it's communist for various esoteric reasons. It doesn't effect me either way. State Department propaganda and warmongering does effect me though.