Fucking hate the Imperialist Democratic Party, and think there's basically no chance they'll actually pass meaningful student debt relief under Biden.

But a universal vanquishing of the first $50,000 held in student debt by graduates will meaningfully improve the conditions of tens of millions of Americans; for both graduates, and those who did never attended a post-secondary institution alike.

57% of Americans support "forgiving up to $50,000 in student loans for individuals who live in households that make less than $250,000 a year", including a majority of those who never attended a College.

This just seems rich considering Chapo often mocked liberals who were incapable of admitting that Trump can do good things at times, and now they may fall into the same trap of opposing on instinct everything coming from the Biden camp.

Actually people should keep suffering, because stopping it with the stroke of a pen would alienate the working class

    • AllTheRightEngels [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      You know that thing that affects ~40% of the population and keeps a roof over their heads? It's a fringe issue, aksually

    • T_Doug [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      A similar percentage of American households rent as hold student debt. Therefore both issues most be wholly unimportant, and literally only matter to City Dwelling PMC Libs.

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          The average American voter is 45+ years old, owns a home, and student debt is barely a memory, if they ever had any at all.

          Imagine being this white lol

          Redlining, never heard of it. 40% of Americans rent, they are not average

            • PhaseFour [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              the vast majority of Americans are 45+, homeowners

              This is a lie lol

                • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  40% of Americans rent. 30-40% of adults are between 18 and 45.

                  If there's any intersection between those two numbers, it's a lie with even stricter parameters.

                    • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                      4 years ago

                      Yes, so maybe half the country is both +45 and a home-owner.

                      That is a far-cry from a "vast majority" or being the "average American."

                        • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                          4 years ago

                          “Student debt” is simply not a direct material issue for the vast majority of Americans.

                          This is the first comment in the thread.

                          Yes, we all know the reasons why, but the vast majority of Americans are 45+, homeowners, with no experience of ever even having large amounts of student debt.

                          This is the comment I was referring to.

                          I didn't notice you said "voters" once when you realized the numbers did not line up how you imagined.

                        • rolly6cast [none/use name]
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                          4 years ago

                          simply not a direct material issue for the vast majority of Americans

                          Similar to when progressives talk about “rent”

                          You didn't open this with voter. A lot of people expect to own a home and we have views of poor people as losers, sure. Any successful progressive movement will have to be with a decent chunk of working class people independent of their voting status now or not, at a local organizing level to address concerns like rent and threats of evictions that are incoming. It's pretty bizarre to present it as some distanced harmful limited thing to the left to talk about on the level of student debt.

    • Barabas [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Nobody without a diploma rents obviously. Showing some more of the working class = rural brainworms, and many people rent even in rural areas.

      • rolly6cast [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I... what? Our base isn't generally "middle Americans" and I don't think we've claimed that. What's your suggestion for the optimal messaging or tactical approach.