Fucking hate the Imperialist Democratic Party, and think there's basically no chance they'll actually pass meaningful student debt relief under Biden.

But a universal vanquishing of the first $50,000 held in student debt by graduates will meaningfully improve the conditions of tens of millions of Americans; for both graduates, and those who did never attended a post-secondary institution alike.

57% of Americans support "forgiving up to $50,000 in student loans for individuals who live in households that make less than $250,000 a year", including a majority of those who never attended a College.

This just seems rich considering Chapo often mocked liberals who were incapable of admitting that Trump can do good things at times, and now they may fall into the same trap of opposing on instinct everything coming from the Biden camp.

Actually people should keep suffering, because stopping it with the stroke of a pen would alienate the working class

  • throwawaylemmy2 [none/use name]
    3·
    4 years ago

    I think his point is that it's not absolute debt forgiveness. Some Doctorial/Master's students are WAY beyond the $50,000 forgiveness. It helps, but it's a "band-aid" for the degree mill problem.

    • PhaseFour [he/him]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Matt is saying the student loan forgiveness will alienate people without student loans. He is not saying there should be complete forgiveness.

      It is hilarious to see Matt oppose bedrock policies of the Bernie campaign because it is coming from the Biden team. Wealthy social democrats are something else, this is all a game to them lmao

      • throwawaylemmy2 [none/use name]
        2·
        4 years ago

        Matt is saying the student loan forgiveness will alienate people without student loans.

        ...Well, in that regard: He's not necessarily wrong. I mean look at how the GOP tried to hammer tuition-free college as a pipe-dream/"SOCALISM!!!!" boogeyman and the chuds bought into it. With his "realignment" theory, if the non-college folks (majority being CHUDs in this case, but that's highly unlikely) go GOP, it stands to reason the GOP and their base (the non-college folks) would be pissed about it.

        I don't think it's an out there logic, personally. Because I can see where he's coming from, even if I don't necessarily 100% agree with his logic/theory on it.

        • PhaseFour [he/him]
          1·
          4 years ago

          His "realignment" theory is just rebranded Tea Partyism.

          If the Democrats fail to materially improvement the conditions of people in this country, more people will support Republicans in 2024.

          If the Democrats actually move forward with social democracy - increase unionization, mass infrastructure projects, student loan abolition - they will win in 2024.

          It is not that deep.

          • anthm17 [he/him]
            ·
            4 years ago

            If Obama had been just a bit pro-union 2016 would have been different.

        • anthm17 [he/him]
          ·
          4 years ago

          It's alienating if you abandon them.

          If you find another way to help them then they feel noticed, they feel like their needs are being addressed, they are more content with government, and they don't turn into rabid fascists.

          But honestly I feel like matt is just taking a cheap contrarian shot.

          • throwawaylemmy2 [none/use name]
            1·
            4 years ago

            It’s alienating if you abandon them.

            Well, that's the thing: Both parties are pretty much abandoning them. One side gives lip service, but then does nearly jack (and blames the other side or log-jamming for doing nothing) while the other had (has) open contempt for them.

            We'll see if this actually happens in the 100 days they say they want to do it in. But I don't blame Matt for being contrarian about it given past track-records.