As far as I know, all of them - USSR, Cuba, China, Vietnam, NK etc, implement gun control. Why should their governments do that? The people of these states genuinely support(ed) socialism, if they are/were all armed they can protect socialism far better than the 1% of the population that makes up the military.

  • weshallovercum [any]
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    4 years ago

    Agreed. The “horrible dictators take away guns” criticism comes from the US, where the govt does not represent the will of the people, anyone can have a gun and… what? How is this better? More school shootings per capita, I guess.

    This is an idealist analysis of events, exactly what I'm telling you to stop doing. In the US, military power is concentrated with the state, guns are not the only weapons, you also have nukes, bombs, tanks, planes etc. Gun ownership among civilians is heavily concentrated among the right wing and right-leaning liberals. Something like 48% of gun owners have more than 4 guns. There is no socialist movement of any significant size. The majority of the population implicitly supports the way of life. These are the facts why the US population, despite an apparent high rate of gun ownership, do undertake any military action against the state. Also school shootings can be stopped if adults are armed, stop being A FUCKING LIBERAL HOLY FUCK.

    None of these facts are an argument against gun control in socialist state. You are taking leaps of logic and conflation beyond anything I've seen, please stop letting ideology cloud your mind.

    The 2nd amendment in the US is unique, and should be leveraged, no doubt, but let’s not circlejerk about it, that’s NRA’s job. Do or don’t. Be the change you want to see in the world instead of using right wing talking point to denigrate countries that achieved something by way of socialism, unlike the US with all its guns.

    Nobody here is circlejerking abt the 2nd amendment, you seem to be suffering from an inferiority complex where you think any criticism of socialism is coming from a chauvinist American. Im not even from a Western country. Once again, Marx called for the ruthless criticism of all that exists. Gun control is an objectively terrible policy that all socialist countries implemented.

    I agree with @glimmer_twin. Cuba et al are under a constant threat of a foreign sponsored coup. Lives of US war hawks would be made much easier if they didn’t have to smuggle the weapons in.

    When guns are a problem, you try to solve the problem, not take away the guns. Notwithstanding the fact that this a bullshit excuse since coups can be much more effectively countered when 100% of the population is armed to the teeth rather than 5%, there are methods to deal with foreign interference such as having an effective counterintelligence agency or secret police.

    I don’t want to be governed, I live in the enemy’s territory, and do not consider any government “my own.” But in my perfect world there are no guns because killing people = bad.

    This is next level liberalism(anarchism). It doesn't matter what you consider the govt, they own your ass anyway. Perfect worlds dont exist and are irrelevant to any discussion.