• RNAi [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    "while letting Palestinians off the hook for their choices."

    Wow that's a tremendous victim blaming huh. "Why were they living there, if they didn't want to be expelled at gunpoint and their houses demolished/occupied by settlers?"

    • Randomdog [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      This is the same corner of the political spectrum that will tell a homeless person to "simply buy a house??" so I'm not sure we should be surprised by this.

      • RNAi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        "If you don't like it just leave!, go to a muslim country if you hate jews so much!"

    • cum_drinker69 [any]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah but we're the ones with the bigotry problem. Fucking disgusting.

    • GravenImage [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Biden closed with a quote from the Irish poet Seamus Heaney: “History says, Don’t hope / On this side of the grave, / But then, once in a lifetime / The longed-for tidal wave / Of justice can rise up / And hope and history rhyme.”

      The poem is about Ireland, but Biden said he’d decided the lines apply to Israel.

      I'm pretty sure the IRA was bombing colonialists but ok go off

  • Koa_lala [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is just making the marketing more palatable. They definitely still mean the first one.

  • Circra [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    No one's singling out Israel on the far left, that's the thing. Plenty of other American allies get called out. India, for its treatment of Kashmiris, Saudi Arabia for being comic book villain levels of undistilled evil, Australia for its offshore concentration camps etc.

    It's really fucking weird when a left winger gets accused of singling out Israel when they've criticised a whole buncha countries. I guess an antisemite lefty story is way easier to manufacture than anything else.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Especially when the people crafting it are actually anti-semitic. Blaming anti-fascists and anti-colinialists for the sins of the fascists and colonialists is some disgustingly effective sleight of hand.

      • Circra [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah. Had some blairite shithead stand up in the HoC and bleat about how 'anticapitalism is antisemetic.' The only, and I mean only, interpretation of that is that all Jews are capitalists. Guess how many column inches in the mainstream media it got?

        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          This type of bourgeoise anti-semitic simplism is almost as bad as the right wing "we stand with Israel" because they want to fulfill the prophesy of revelations and exterminate the Jews with nukes after an extended holy war against muslims.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The new one removes language about the Palestinians but then adds "other efforts to delegitimize Israel" which is open ended enough to include like, any criticism of Israel.

    • Magjee [any]
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      4 years ago

      I mean can we be surprised that a country built on the genocide of indigenous populations be cool with indigenous populations elsewhere?

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I don't understand, which came first, which one is worse? They both look equally worse to me lol

    Well I guess the first one is slightly worse maybe. But why was it changed?

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      4 years ago

      The first one sounds worse, but I wouldn't expect any change in policy because of this. Presumably a foreign policy advisor looked at it and said "hold on we're the diplomatic peacemaker liberals, we're not supposed to just come out and say that we think Palestinians deserve to eat mud pies and napalm."

    • CoralMarks [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The top one came first and looks definitely worse, although, as one would expect, both are very bad takes.

      I would imagine they feared even liberals might get offended at the last part about choices.
      So they instead focus on the anti-semitism of BDS rather than insinuating Palestinians have much of a choice.

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The first one is deffinitely worse.

    • Magjee [any]
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      4 years ago

      Every 4 years its less progressive, but they just call it more progressive

      ~

      They will add a trans person to the cabinet and have a national day of remembrance for LGBTQ and then cut taxes for the wealthy

      It's all window dressing for the meat grinder

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        To the bourgeoise it is progressing because there are more black people on their tv and at fundraisers. The other ones don't matter.

      • Circra [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        BBC had a story criticising a film's portrayal of disabled people in a film. They're not wrong.

        What's wrong is how they do that and also cheerlead for a govt that has caused the early deaths of approx 200000 disabled UK people due to austerity and malicious restructuring of disability benefits.

        • Magjee [any]
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          4 years ago

          Yea

          It's all over fluff and near worthless imaging and posturing

  • kilternkafuffle [any]
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    4 years ago

    Going from a petty attack on Palestinians to not even mentioning Palestinians. "Delegitimize Israel" - and how do you define "Israel"? Like, 1967-border Israel, or Greater Israel? Is opposing Israeli annexations tantamount to questioning the legitimacy of Israel?

    This feels like slipping backwards. The Bush administration pretended to (it was pretense, but at least there was pretense!) help Israelis and Palestinians negotiate a settlement. Now it's just "defend Israel from all criticism CUZ IT'S UNFAIR CUZ SAUDI ARABIA AND SHIT".