This is peak idpol nonsense. Giving people access to a doctor and food that isn't poison is basically a fat holocaust.
yes, Vietnam is the least obese country because everyone is starving to death in the worst famine in history and because they hate fat people
These people are a bit strange. Well-meaning, but they're dead-set on attributing every health consequence of obesity just to discrimination, poverty, racism, etc. Like, there's absolutely a connection there but there's also plenty of experimental evidence showing a causal relationship between obesity and like a million different health problems.
When I looked into this part of Twitter, I remember seeing them harp on about BMI and how it was invented by a eugenicist and therefore "fake".
Which doesn't make any sense because (1.) that's irrelevant and (2.) BMI is literally just a formula and can't be "wrong". It also doesn't really define obesity, it's just a rule of thumb for doctors to see if a patient might be obese.
yeah like idk why it's so fucking difficult for some people to have the following ideas coexist in their fucking brains
"don't be a dick to someone because they're fat"
and
"obesity is a health issue and we should take it seriously"
and sadly a lot of people focus on that last bit without doing any further thinking as to why obesity is so strongly correlated with class, race, etc. so many people brush it off as "lol ur just lazy stop eating so much" which IS fatphobia. being fat doesn't make you anything other than fat. being fat is not bad, it is not good, it just is.
don't fucking mistreat anybody based on how their body is, full stop. don't assume someone's body type is indicative of their personality or character, full fucking stop. every human is human. every human deserves a right to health and happiness. recognizing that being extremely obese can get in the way of those things is not fatphobia. insisting that someone is miserable/unhealthy/whatthefuckever simply because they are fat is fatfphobia.
nuance is lost on too many people smh my head
sry i'm high and i have a lot of feelings
Honestly, the lack of nuance is a problem with a lot of socialists. Like, we see liberals abusing the concept of nuance when some things really are just black and white (American imperialism, Israel/Palestine, landlords) and then some of us respond to that by just abandoning the concept of nuance entirely.
oh totally. purity testing and lack of nuance is a fucking plague in leftist circles ime.
better healthcare
I once had this morbidly obese patient present to emergency with some sort of abdominal pain. With that region, what you want to do is get a blood sample ASAP to know which organ is causing the problem. At the time I was a combat medic and about half the nurses and doctors I worked with were either medics prior to their degrees or had rotated through shock trauma platoons. I can all but throw an IV into an arm and have inserted at least a dozen in the dark by feel alone.
So I go in to get the blood sample and start feeling around their inner elbow for a suitable vein. I don't feel any vein at all. I check the other arm and nothing. I feel their wrists, nothing. I look at their feet because I don't want to go in blind and there isn't even a palpable vein there. Every suitable site had such a deep layer of fat over it that you couldn't do anything beneath it. So needing the sample, I trusted my skills and went in blind. Once, twice, three times before I gave up as a mercy and said I'd get the most experienced nurse on duty. She tried six times without success. We grabbed the on-duty physician, one of the best doctors I have ever worked with, and she tried and tried and tried and tried. Different needles, different sites, an ultrasound machine, she stuck this poor patient over 20 times. They were in such pain that they left against medical advice with an issue that could potentially kill them. Any other patient on that ward and I could go in and get an IV within 30 seconds regardless of conditions.
I had this other patient in a nursing home. They were maybe 800-1000lbs and would have been healthy enough to spend another 30 years out of a nursing home if not for their weight. They couldn't leave their bed because they couldn't move. Their body was breaking down because of their weight and immobility so without someone manually repositioning them every few hours they would begin to ulcerate and rot. They couldn't use the bathroom without two people rolling them over, putting a bedpan underneath them, and then wiping their ass because they could no longer reach it. The highlight of their day was me getting them coffee in the morning and every day will be groundhog day until some organ fails or a blood clot dislodges. A fate I wouldn't wish on 5% of my enemies.
Yeah, there should be better healthcare and any possible means of steering people toward better options than dying terribly after years with lifestyle diseases. When grandma is being amputated slice by slice due to diabetes, that's a horrific degree of suffering that could have been prevented and should be mitigated unless you're a fucking sociopath. At any point prior and after the diagnosis an intervention would have saved them from something they don't need to experience. Ignoring that is as stupid as anti-vaxxers.
That's fucked.
With the last patient, surely there'd be a caloric restriction plan if it's a nursing home.
Totally noncompliant with it and they had family bringing in food that they filled the room with. You can use implied consent to act in their best interest if there is some inability to advocate for themselves, but that patient was totally there cognitively and in their 40s. It was just one of those cases where their spouse died and there was no one else willing to be a caretaker. Even being fairly fit I couldn't solo-roll that patient so they would have required two around-the-clock caretakers to move them around on the bed.
I mean, it will definitely make eating healthier easier. And I really don't know why anyone would ever be upset by that...
I think this is bait. I don't think this is a sincere tweet.
Garbage ape on twitter shitted on this tweet and it was taken down so is probably real
I'm pretty sure I know what's going on here.
This is probably one of those people who doesn't believe there's any connection at all between diet/exercise and fat, and who denies that fat has any negative health effects other than as a result of anti-fat discrimination. So, to them, any notion that it's good if people are more fit is basically just eugenics, and they're saying that they think a lot of people only want good things out of this eugenic impulse rather than because they're actually interested in helping people.
I think they do want the things they listed and are just saying others want them for the wrong reasons. So this isn't really a case of a reactionary justifying themselves with idpol so much as a science denialist coming to weird conclusions because they're a science denialist.
Edit- Come to think of it, it's got to be more than that, because even if they were completely right on the science this would still require everyone else to secretly know they were right but say nothing in order to prop up this arbitrary ableist hierarchy. I'd say this is more like an illogical belief that comes from bullying this person received for being fat, or self-hatred. People who believe this stuff are really just looking for shelter from a society that's legitimately shitty towards them, and they end up with the science denialism because that's what's available to them.
uhhhh what? I'm fat and I don't even think about these things in the context of fatness. It's just, like, good for everyone?????
I’m also fat and while I think these things are good for everyone, I also think they would be really good specifically in the context of fatness.
Like we should be making it as easy as possible for people who want to lose weight to get medical help and whatever we can to prevent the circumstances that lead to obesity. You can do all of that without shaming fat people and treating it like a moral failure.
As someone who has struggled with their weight their whole life, I just want people like this to hear my message: Suck my entire hog, you radlib pieces of shit
It's straight up not. This is just a theory, but I think sometimes people on the internet will identify narratives and topics that get other people reliably mad, then specifically post inflammatory things for attention.
