I think there can be a middle ground on this debate. I mean, you can acknowledge that the cops and the army are all pigs that probably would not hesitate to torture and murder you if given the order - we have to prepare to fight them . But, at the same time, I think that we should appeal at them, you know , like the fascists do when they convince them to join up their militias. After all, a revolution with soldiers backing it up would be a hell of a lot easier, don't you think.
We could appeal to them without ignoring the fact that signing up for the military just to benefit yourself materially is antethical to the very premise of socialism. That's my take, apparently it's a hot one
most sign up when they're dumb, brain-poisoned kids. chances are that someone who has been in the military for a few years hates it more than those who haven't. it's the officers who are lost causes.
I agree with you, but you're not gonna appeal any pig at the army by saying them that. What you say it's absolutely true and my god I wish every U.S soldier were burnt alive painfully, but when the revolution comes I don't think it would be the best strategy to shit on every vet with PTSD; it's a sweet revenge and it fells really good, but is not good strategy.
This is true. Maybe I talked about the issue from my perspective as a latin american; if troops are fashy here I could not think how US troops would look like. But in any case I was really pointing out that, given the chance of seeing an internal crisis within the military -or even the cops- we should at least try to persuade the guys with the more military knowledge if you're planning a violent revolution (and the subsequent civil war). The CEO example would fit better on officers, and yeah fuck officers lol
I think there can be a middle ground on this debate. I mean, you can acknowledge that the cops and the army are all pigs that probably would not hesitate to torture and murder you if given the order - we have to prepare to fight them . But, at the same time, I think that we should appeal at them, you know , like the fascists do when they convince them to join up their militias. After all, a revolution with soldiers backing it up would be a hell of a lot easier, don't you think.
We could appeal to them without ignoring the fact that signing up for the military just to benefit yourself materially is antethical to the very premise of socialism. That's my take, apparently it's a hot one
most sign up when they're dumb, brain-poisoned kids. chances are that someone who has been in the military for a few years hates it more than those who haven't. it's the officers who are lost causes.
I agree with you, but you're not gonna appeal any pig at the army by saying them that. What you say it's absolutely true and my god I wish every U.S soldier were burnt alive painfully, but when the revolution comes I don't think it would be the best strategy to shit on every vet with PTSD; it's a sweet revenge and it fells really good, but is not good strategy.
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This is true. Maybe I talked about the issue from my perspective as a latin american; if troops are fashy here I could not think how US troops would look like. But in any case I was really pointing out that, given the chance of seeing an internal crisis within the military -or even the cops- we should at least try to persuade the guys with the more military knowledge if you're planning a violent revolution (and the subsequent civil war). The CEO example would fit better on officers, and yeah fuck officers lol