"I'm also a Marxist-Leninist."

liberalism

Both are socialists. I don't think we do ourselves any favors by saying that one of the prominent left politicians in America, who is despised by the Democratic party elite, is a "fake" socialist. Evo and AOC are both important courageous leftists.

The differences between them aren't even that extreme. Evo Morales isn't a Marxist-Leninist or anything, he governed as a moderate reformer and actually was protested by the left for being disappointing on a number of things and not going far enough.

These people are the opportunists you've been warned about. Stop defending them. They're less than useless.

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
    6·
    4 years ago

    There were like two posts applauding her on the front page in the past 24 hours.

    So why bag on NJR for saying the same thing? Jumping down the throats of fellow leftists over minor shit will get us nowhere.

    • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
      2·
      4 years ago

      Call me sentimental but equating the two is honestly an insult to the countless Bolivians who were imprisoned, tortured and murdered over centuries to get to where they are now. Evo isn't just a man and a politician, he's the face of a movement of indigenous people that were enslaved and brutalized and fought valiantly to even have a slight chance of having a government like that of the MAS. Bolivia was a right wing dictatorship until 3 years before Evo was elected. People were still being slaughtered by fascists in 2003. The uncertainty of being a socialist leader in an environment like that is something people in the west can't even comprehend. If AOC loses her seat she's not going to be executed or exiled, she's going to get a cushy sinecure.

      Plus, like I pointed out earlier in this thread, it's an objectively wrong take. If AOC is elected president in 2028 and implements her full agenda, bolivians will still have to fight her administration for control over their own resources because we ain't getting a GND without lots of lithium and cobalt etc and I can guarantee you the US government isn't going to want to pay the full price.

    • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
      4·
      4 years ago

      It was the shit he said about Evo, that he's a "moderate reformer, not an ML, " and that there was a leftist presence among his opposition (pro-coup propaganda like we've seen in Venezuela, even though it's unintended), as well as equating him and AOC that made me post this. There's numerous things to dump on him for here.

      Anyway, he's not a "fellow leftist", he sucks. If you oppose AES like Cuba, we're not on the same side; if you're anti-Marxist and think Lenin was an evil mass murderer, but see getting more social democrats in the Democratic party as the path to socialism, then we're not on the same side; etc. Basically, he's a good representative of that slice of the "democratic socialist" crowd that I think is holding people back by reinforcing liberal ideology and anticommunist propaganda and shepherding people who could be radicalized back into liberal reformism when the world is actively burning and decaying before our eyes. Calling out this opportunist bullshit is meant to clarify where these people stand and why they're not helpful to us or on our side.

      People are shitting on him a lot lately, and I honestly think that's great. And I also don't get why so many people are getting upset over his shit takes getting posted in the dunk tank. That's literally what this sublemmy is for.

        • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
          3·
          4 years ago

          So do you have a specific problem with anything I said or are you just here to complain about dunks in the dunk tank?

            • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
              3·
              4 years ago

              Ok.

              post hoc justification

              "These people are the opportunists you’ve been warned about. Stop defending them. They’re less than useless."

              Right from my post.

              And this was what I was responding to:

              So why bag on NJR for saying the same thing? Jumping down the throats of fellow leftists over minor shit will get us nowhere.

              So I elaborated on what I said in the post from the beginning: opportunists bad, so we should dunk on them. Here's what's wrong with NJR's take.

              So it's not a post hoc justification, it's the whole point of the post. Why does dunking on bad takes bother you?