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  • socialist [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Why do you keep replying when i dont give shit about you defending the ussr it killed the whole global socialist movement as quickly as it inspired it

      • socialist [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Keep jerking of assad and lukashenko they will surely bring socialism

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          keep attacking strawmen, that will surely create a global anti-work "zone" where prosperity flows from dry streambeds & progress is achieved without trying/failing

          • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Like I'm mostly with you here but you doing this "antiwork" dig is uncomfortable for me because like, there are ableist implications to that that I really don't like. I'm "antiwork" because working as an autistic person has basically already drained me of the will to do any work again. And I'd hope that employment under a modern socialist system would be so fundamentally different that it wouldn't be "work" anymore. The fact that many abled/NT MLs don't seem to have a will to establish such a thing is probably my biggest issue with them. For me to believe that ML socialism would make a world that would like, actually be better for me in a fundamental way, I have to believe that employment under their system wouldn't be anything like it is under capitalism. Because sitting on my ass for three years contributing nothing doesn't make me happy either, but I'm too drained and traumatized by past experiences to go back to work.

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              socially necessary labor has to be done, & not only complained about. though I agree that work as it's conceived & carried out in present day capacities is beleaguering & tortuous. the key point is what the society values after that socially necessary labor is completed. Marx argues for a reduction of the working day and increases in free time

              work must be defeated... which, in typical dialectical fashion, is a telos that actually requires real concerted work to achieve

              human existence is itself labor & human beings require material resources & energy inputs & social structure in order mature & reproduce themselves.

              disabled people & orphans & all those unable to work must be supported by those who do. nothing can change this

              wishing for AI or FALGSC isn't the same as building them

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              work is service

              but organized work doesn't have to be exploitative if it's directed from within & organized in a concerted way within larger systems of social relations

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  or by workers & cadres... as was done in USSR & PRC and elsewhere

                  artels existed in USSR, and largely managed their own affairs/production

                  you just think reading/parroting anti-communist Western imperialist propaganda/false history means you're warning others about something, but you're the one who needs to dip back into studies on these matters.

                  the history you've received is falsified & propagandized against ML states.

                  capitalism and imperialism & white male supremacy all work in tandem. cultural hegemony & historical revision prevent you from functionally drilling down here and receiving any wisdom from history

                  the way you're waving off Marxism & ML states heavily indicates that your politics align with ancap nonsense. Any superficial "leftist" aesthetic interests are merely that

                  Lenin & Marx all wanted an eventual "withering away of the state", but such a thing must be achieved & not merely hoped for

                  • socialist [she/her]
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                    Still it all comes to the corrupt state bureaucracy and the state falling or could it be (((Them))) behind it all