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  • HntrKllr [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is implying if American government just disappeared tomorrow a not so insignificant portion of the population wouldn't immediately elect and recreate the very systems that caused the whats going on to resurface.

    But don't worry it won't be called America?

    • Civility [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I hate the government not the people 😤

      More seriously I can't hold both the position that the US government is irredeemably untethered from the will and interests of its people and US citizens are the most propagandised people on earth and that most everyone in the US is irredeemable. So I believe that anyone born in the US probably has a harder time cultivating empathy and reasonable opinions than the rest of us but with re-education and a change in material conditions would probably be perfectly fine people living fine lives and not hurting anyone more than anyone else, and the average US citizen can't really be held accountable for the actions of the US state.

      • kimilsungist [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        you cannot do this, this is literally fucking so dumb... the government is the people.

          • Civility [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            :10000-com:

            Not prioritizing the lives and comfort of US citizens over literally everyone else on the planet: Anti-imperialism, cool and good

            Actively wishing death on each and every individual privileged? enough to have been born in the imperial core: not what we're about.

        • Civility [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          I mean, the US government is like, 10,000 people who can reasonably said to be significantly influenced by another 100,000 people.

          You can't both hold that the US State is a dictatorship of the bourgeois that acts for capital regardless of and against the will and interest of its citizens and that all/a majority of US citizens are irredeemable and responsible for the actions of the US state.

    • anthm17 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      They obviously would.

      Part of American exceptionalism is thinking these structures are both essential and good.

      • Civility [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I find it hilarious and extremely ironic that the whole concept of US Exceptionalism is in and of it's self US Exceptionalism.

        Exceptionalism of that sort isn't unique to the US or even to this time period. The Romans did it, the Athenians did it, the Chinese Empire did it, Catholics, Protestants and the European colonial members of the Vienna Conclave did it. Almost everyone with a strong us and them narrative has something similar.

        Thinking Americans thinking americans are special is specific to america is, hilariously, a result of americans thinking americans are special.

        • Budwig_v_1337hoven [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Thinking Americans thinking americans are special is specific to america is, hilariously, a result of americans thinking americans are special.

          That's pretty special indeed though