Look. I'm not trying to start another pointless struggle session. Far from that, I want each and every one of us to confront this most strange attempt at multilateralism by two of our favourite existing socialisms.

There's no substantial article on the environment. Not a single word on climate or pollution. And nothing on labour issues.

I get that the whole thing is brand new and the member countries will probably amend to add more to the document in later stages.

But now is the point the heads of governments go back to their respective legislative body for ratification. Again, nothing on labour, the environment or the climate.

I want us Chapos to confront the likelihood that existing socialist experiments are faltering, even abandoning, a key promise of socialism to workers: reducing work hours for more leisure time. That, and no idea how trade is going to connect to the climate crisis.

  • LibsEatPoop2 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Yeah, I guess I agree. Those are all fair points.

    I commented elsewhere too to someone who raised a very similar point re: "doing as much as they realistically are able to do". I think that's an unfalsefiable claim. You just have to trust that the govt is doing things the only way they think will work. But, I mean, that doesn't convince anyone who doesn't already trust them.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      I'm not sure "unfalsifiable" is the best term for it. We know there are some worse things they could do, and we know there are some better things we can imagine that are practically impossible. We can give them credit for not doing some of the bad things and we can not blame them for not doing the impossible things. Even inside of those boundaries, we can have rational discussions about what is possible-and-easy vs. what is possible-but-difficult.

      This conversation does involve (fact-based) speculation, but it's the type of speculation you or I would engage in to determine if an individual was making a good-faith effort at doing something.