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    • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Ah yes, incremental change, certainly a thing we as leftists support. I can't believe you have the nerve to call me a liberal over this. You're echoing literally every lib talking point about this.

      Also, re: the public not being with us: in exit polls 57% percent of people said they support BLM, 37% said they didn't.

      Also, you keep conflating voters with "the public". Currently most voters are over 50, and a fairly slim majority of black voters over 50 disagree with defunding the police (because they have been scaremongered to think it means something it doesn't, lol. There's other reasons for conservative older black people but thats an essay). But those under 50 should be discounted because why? Like, the tweet that started this doesn't even say "under 50" it says "under 23". "Under 50" is a HUGE proportion of the population. You say there's no proof that nonvoters are more progressive (there is data that shows they are excited by bold policy but whatever), but here we see that the younger you are the more likely you are to support defunding the police, especially if you're black. So you're contradicting yourself.

      There's a conversation to be had over whether using "Defund the Police" as a slogan was a wise move or not, I guess. I sorta think its lib shit to worry about that but I guess I sorta see the point? But the policy behind the slogan is sound regardless.

        • AllTheRightEngels [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          You're kinda just glossing over that the pro-defund the police stance has very little representation/reach, meanwhile pro-police messaging is blasted into the minds of people 24/7. Hell, it looks like you've even been effected by it-

          Normal people actually see value in policing and don’t want it go away because they know that their neighborhoods would just be taken over by local criminals.

          What the fuck is this? Also you suggest community boards, which have no meaningful power whatsoever, and demilitarizing the police, something that has been fought against long before BLM ever existed and it only gets worse over time. Why are you advocating for failed policies just because it's more palatable?

          You bring up a revolution to dunk, but going off your logic in this thread, the messaging we should use for most Americans is that capitalism is good, actually. After all that's what's most of the working class thinks they want, so we should appeal to them and compromise our ideas right out of the gate, right?

        • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
          2·
          4 years ago

          Listen, I know you want to still have cops and prisons in your authcomm hellhole but that doesn't mean you got to side with the libs and echo all their talking points while accusing anarchists of being libs lol. Hell some of these are outright chud talking points. You've lost the plot.

          Also big lol at social workers being "overeducated elites".