Fosho. I just wonder if popularizing that kind of humor can be bad. Like someone who's not as terminally online as me might see those kinds of jokes and think they are serious (like right wingers). Idk, this has never been a concern of mine at all but it does make me wonder. Not like there's anything anyone can do about policing humor tho so who cares I guess lol
In most other places like you say, people would just think it's antagonizing for its own sake, discard the pain behind, discard your voice within their ranks and others entirely. Not like they need any more reason, but ya know.
Kill all billionaires seems cool and good for everyone because it's so out of reach but.. relatable, I guess, and perfectly correct, but jumping to kill all rich men, kill all men, it's still about the pure hatred toward the person in power, the oppressor, the majority, the idea of it foremost but the object is still the human. Some men might deserve to get killed, so fuck them, some men could help stop these other men but don't (the majority), so fuck them, some men do help (but they're the smallest minority of them all). So fuck them all indeed, those same people that would discard you for those words would certainly be part of that majority of fuckers who never act, push for the status quo. Hence, kill them all, it would do more good.
I don't know what I'm aiming at but it might be useful to try to explain the powers at play, to radicalize, and if that doesn't work (e.g. right winger lol), to go full overdrive and antagonize and get the guillotine out. Or manipulate ? Idk.
Like someone who’s not as terminally online as me might see those kinds of jokes and think they are serious (like right wingers).
There will always be something to lose your shit on. These are imagined demons that they gotta fight because they already feel alienated from their surroundings and now they feel alienated from the sedative of the masses (tv, internet, etc).
Just treating internet discourse like this a "serious problem" is unproductive (whoops!)
I would never point somebody here if they were white or male unless they were already a leftist. We've got a lot a people who are becoming non-politically radicalized in the US; they're angry but they're not sure at what yet. A common refrain of "we want to kill people like you", no matter how sarcastic or irony-poisoned, is likely to drive people away.
As a somewhat straight, white cis male with a self-deprecating humor, this is my last oasis since all other comedy has been cancelled. I think the problem stems from the same place as with any jokes with problematic undertones, understanding context and knowing the actual values of the person who's making the joke (especially when there is a grain of truth in the joke). Social media strips all this context away and I could imagine transmen who are active in social media in leftist circles would be bombarded with these jokes interleaved with actual misandry, and when you are already in a vulnerable position, it hits a lot harder than when you've grown up hearing those same stereotypes and jokes.
I'm with you! Aggressive humor against oppressive ethnicities & identities is funny, a great outlet, and honestly educational sometimes.
But to be fair, I've never once (in leftist online circles) seen trans white men labeled as part of that oppressing identity. They are undeniably and statistically overall an oppressed identity.
Obviously, and I didn't want to insinuate anything else, but if you identify as a male and especially if you are aware of the oppression that's attached to it, I'd imagine you would be affected negatively by this kind of discourse if you weren't acclimated to it. I grew up in the gender identity I was assigned at birth, and I'd be lying if I said the negative stereotypes about men didn't affect me especially when I was younger (at some point even pushing me towards anti-sjw/MRA bullshit, thank Allah I grew out of it), and to add that to the pile of negative stereotypes pointed at you when you already are in a minority group seems like a lot to handle.
If the message is all men are scum, it doesn't really matter if you are cis or trans, since you are still a man.
Damn, mayocide / menicide humor is one of those things that got me into /r/cth in the first place. But I can definitely see how it's bad.
I think humor is okay.
Fosho. I just wonder if popularizing that kind of humor can be bad. Like someone who's not as terminally online as me might see those kinds of jokes and think they are serious (like right wingers). Idk, this has never been a concern of mine at all but it does make me wonder. Not like there's anything anyone can do about policing humor tho so who cares I guess lol
In most other places like you say, people would just think it's antagonizing for its own sake, discard the pain behind, discard your voice within their ranks and others entirely. Not like they need any more reason, but ya know.
Kill all billionaires seems cool and good for everyone because it's so out of reach but.. relatable, I guess, and perfectly correct, but jumping to kill all rich men, kill all men, it's still about the pure hatred toward the person in power, the oppressor, the majority, the idea of it foremost but the object is still the human. Some men might deserve to get killed, so fuck them, some men could help stop these other men but don't (the majority), so fuck them, some men do help (but they're the smallest minority of them all). So fuck them all indeed, those same people that would discard you for those words would certainly be part of that majority of fuckers who never act, push for the status quo. Hence, kill them all, it would do more good.
I don't know what I'm aiming at but it might be useful to try to explain the powers at play, to radicalize, and if that doesn't work (e.g. right winger lol), to go full overdrive and antagonize and get the guillotine out. Or manipulate ? Idk.
There will always be something to lose your shit on. These are imagined demons that they gotta fight because they already feel alienated from their surroundings and now they feel alienated from the sedative of the masses (tv, internet, etc).
Just treating internet discourse like this a "serious problem" is unproductive (whoops!)
Yeah I think that's well put, it'll always be out there regardless.
I would never point somebody here if they were white or male unless they were already a leftist. We've got a lot a people who are becoming non-politically radicalized in the US; they're angry but they're not sure at what yet. A common refrain of "we want to kill people like you", no matter how sarcastic or irony-poisoned, is likely to drive people away.
Eh, I think most libs have no problem with this kind of humor.
Mayocide is still funny to me because I hate mayo.
Mayo is good I will die on this hill
Chili mayo is a gift from gods, fight me.
As a somewhat straight, white cis male with a self-deprecating humor, this is my last oasis since all other comedy has been cancelled. I think the problem stems from the same place as with any jokes with problematic undertones, understanding context and knowing the actual values of the person who's making the joke (especially when there is a grain of truth in the joke). Social media strips all this context away and I could imagine transmen who are active in social media in leftist circles would be bombarded with these jokes interleaved with actual misandry, and when you are already in a vulnerable position, it hits a lot harder than when you've grown up hearing those same stereotypes and jokes.
I'm with you! Aggressive humor against oppressive ethnicities & identities is funny, a great outlet, and honestly educational sometimes.
But to be fair, I've never once (in leftist online circles) seen trans white men labeled as part of that oppressing identity. They are undeniably and statistically overall an oppressed identity.
Obviously, and I didn't want to insinuate anything else, but if you identify as a male and especially if you are aware of the oppression that's attached to it, I'd imagine you would be affected negatively by this kind of discourse if you weren't acclimated to it. I grew up in the gender identity I was assigned at birth, and I'd be lying if I said the negative stereotypes about men didn't affect me especially when I was younger (at some point even pushing me towards anti-sjw/MRA bullshit, thank Allah I grew out of it), and to add that to the pile of negative stereotypes pointed at you when you already are in a minority group seems like a lot to handle.
If the message is all men are scum, it doesn't really matter if you are cis or trans, since you are still a man.