For what countries laws? He’s not a Ukrainian citizen
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So if you’re not an American you’re free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it’s not a crime?
This doesn't even make sense. He is an American and he didn't sabotage the US in any way. You can argue he "sabotaged" Ukraine, but that's not the US.
How are these people this stupid?
they're admitting that this is a US proxy war against russia and that ukraine is a vassal of the empire, not a sovereign state.
So if you’re not an American you’re free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it’s not a crime?
Anyone, American or otherwise, has a moral obligation to sabotage the US at every possible opportunity
They're true liberals who hate Russia with the fire of a thousand burning suns, because they earnestly believe Russia was far more culpable in Trump becoming president than Clinton's own hubris
So they want to punish Russia until the end of time for that 'incivility' being foisted on them, reason be damned
because they earnestly believe Russia was far more culpable in Trump becoming president than Clinton's own hubris
the russophobia pre-dates this, which is why it was such an effective piece of propaganda
General Russophobia yeah, especially the lasting legacy of the Cold War. But you have to remember in 2012 Obama called out Romney for saying Russia is "our number one geopolitical foe", something I'm sure Democrats today 100% agree with. They did a complete flip in 2016 because it broke their brains.
good point, never forget hilary's reset button. but it started ramping back up in 2014 with maidan, crimea, etc.
Musk is a war criminal. This is a crime against humanity.
Musk is a war criminal for not wanting to help escalate a conflict that could go nuclear.
Don't get me wrong I wish Musk would trip into a volcano but this is actually a good thing
Edit: Another banger holy shit lol
Yeah, in the mid 90s the world was so optimistic about Russia, and frankly reassured about the nukes going to Russia, which was believed to be the more confidently governed nation state.
Everyone was still riding high on the cold war seemingly coming to a close.
Really shows how libs view this war. It is a US war, to the point that going against Ukraine is treason against the US, except when "their team" does bad things, then the US isn't involved whatsoever.
Their worldview becomes consistent once you remember that they only care about denigrating state enemies, and the truthfulness of what they say doesn’t matter as long as it achieves that goal
in the mid 90s the world was so optimistic about Russia
Hmm, I wonder how Russians felt in the mid 90s.
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The world was optimistic about Russia?
collectively orgasmed as they finally got the opportunity to loot and pillage and steal and murder their way to extra wealth from the dismantling of the USSR.Look at Russian inflation rate.
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which was believed to be the more confidently governed nation state
Yeah, everyone had so much confidence in the guy who was frequently drunk in public while president.
Frequently drunk in public and had tanks fire upon parliament when they tried to impeach him. Western libs never had an issue with authoritarianism in liberalized Russia until it stopped being subservient to the West.
Also Rigged the elections with Americans and the yanks boasted about it.
The well was fundamentally poisoned when it came to implementing “democracy” in post-Soviet states; if the idea was, no more communist totalitarianism, no more state party, you can pick from multiple parties, that runs into a self-defeating issue for liberalism if the people just end up voting for the communist party. So they implemented de facto, or just outright explicit, bans on the communist party from gaining power. Being rigged was baked in.
We've now reached the "anyone who doesn't do what I want is committing treason" level of authoritarianism. Cool, cool. I don't see how this could have long term consequences
You want to kill Elon because he may have possibly prevented nuclear armageddon.
I want to kill Elon because he's a racist egomaniac billionaire despite possibly having prevented nuclear armageddon.
WE ARE NOT SAME
I want to kill Elon because he's a racist egomaniac billionaire despite possibly having prevented nuclear armageddon.
all valid reasons but you forgot to include paedophile
(might have been implied when you wrote billionaire though)
Elon is not the president, a leader, the military, nor a government. This parasite should be in a prison or a brig at the very least. This is fucking treason.
How, how could it possibly be treason?! Elon is not a Ukrainian citizen and Russia isn't at war with the US, South Africa, or Canada (apparently he's a Canadian citizen too).
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAThis parasite should be in a prison or a brig at the very least
Critical support?
Will any of these cowards pick up a gun and fight? Nothing’s stopping them.
Aww man, if it hadn't been for those warmongering Russians I'm sure the peace-loving US would've been all over that disarming thing
Yea Ukraine should have nukes so both Moscow and Kiev cease existing. /s
Billionaires should share and facilitate our bloodlust for nuclear catastrophe.
But calling for billionaires and other wealthy, elite capitalists—a small percentage of humanity—to be REDACTED for the sake of humanity itself is too extreme.
Politics is hard.
That’s what irks me the most about these takes, they want the rhetorical weight of “war criminal! traitor!” but then don’t want to back that rhetoric up with the legal consequences for being a war criminal/traitor.
They'd rather focus on fighting China. Libs love rallying up Europe and trying to maintain the complex network of vassal states and diplomatic relations, reactionaries see the writing on the wall and would rather pivot to a conflict with the direct competition. Also doesn't help that Putin has pretty successfully sold himself as a traditionalist, as opposed to the "progressive" West (literally arming Nazis but it's ok because they have a trans spokeswoman!!!
)For libs, attacking Russia is subconsciously attacking the GOP. Visa versa for conservatives and China. Neocons are at a loss because the US can't unite against a big bad because they can't agree who the big bad is.
FWIW many conservatives do admire Russian reactionary politics despite it being the logical conclusion of neoliberal politics. And many liberals do want conflict with China, they just want it with Russia more.
Aside from focusing on their culture war and China, Russia is itself a reactionary state that they probably believe helped get Trump elected (thinking that's a good thing ofc). Plus Democrats support it, so it must be bad. And maybe a bit of revenge for Zelenskyy not giving Trump dirt on Biden.
because he was doing it for free, and now he wants to get paid (and maybe if I were overrating Musk's savvy, I'd guess he wants first dibs on postwar disaster capitalism when the "rebuilding" effort starts). SpaceX will get a contract and this story will drop out of the news cycle.
Are we federated with these losers or do I have to make another account to dunk on them? Help I don't know how this Lemmy thing works.
No, they said defederation is the last resort, so because Hexbear is anti-NATO, we better get our last resort in first and pre-emptively defederate from them.
There's also this thread "Fears of peace talks". Fears. Of. Peace. Talks.
Westolefto and the rest of libs are literally this now:
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Are we locked in on 'ledditors'? I want to suggest 'lemitors'
ledditors sounds like a metallic redditor rather than having to do with lemmy
