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  • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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    4 years ago

    I can't turn my empathy off even for bad people, feels bad

    like when trump had trouble breathing in that clip awhile ago after he got home from the hospital after COVID i couldn't help feeling bad for that sick fuck. Throw these war criminals into a gulag yeah, but i don't want them to actually be tortured.

    When andy gno, another real actual fascist who has done real harm to my community got punched, i actually felt kinda bad for him while watching the video. He just looked like a sad little defeated child who didn't know what they had gotten themself into. Of course he's now a bigger danger to my community and i certainly would never stop or object to anyone punching a nazi. But damn my empathy is like "hurt human sad" and overrides everything else when i see someone in pain.

    At the same time, i'm 0% sad that Trump actually got COVID (i actually laughed a lot and genuinely wished he died) and i think punching a fascist when they are in your city literally just to cause violence is essentially self-defense. But in the moment i see pain i just go ;_____; I guess that's an autism thing idk. Feels kinda bad cuz i don't know if i could ever really be on the front lines but i can help in other ways at least.

    • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      this is correct and good.

      we should feel empathy for our enemies, but that shouldnt stop us from knowing what needs to be done.

      andy ngo is a fascist who collaborates with atomwaffen to make kill lists, and deserves far more than a sock to the jaw.

      hes also a misguided useful-idiot who would undoubtedly be purged if such white supremacists held the power they hope for.

      people like andy ngo made their choice, and the choice they made was to put your life on the chopping block while they cozy up to people that want them dead. that is sad

      this is why the concept "make no excuses for the terror" is an important one. the necessary action may be terrifying and terrible, but the alternative is worse.

      the andy ngos and trumps of the world will never willingly stop the terror they inflict, because they have no empathy

      • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah, i actually agree with the "when our turns we will make no excuses for the terror" a lot because of that.

        Poverty has killed millions. Capitalism will let change change kill billions. I feel sad about violence but by doing nothing instead of fighting back, we're letting millions more die. Every single day. COVID-19 alone has killed over 200,000 in one year in america because we refused to actually give people some time off work and quarantine.

        So yeah idk. That's why i'd happily enjoy trump dying but i don't want to see actual suffering. Because at the end of the day, the suffering we could inflict will be a drop in the ocean of the blood and bones they've been grinding us in since the dawn of this accursed system.

    • AdamSandler [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      There’s no problem with feeling empathy. Just remember that if the roles were reversed, they’d show no empathy

    • NeoJuliette [she/her,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago
      psychopathy

      If I’m the one torturing the fascists, and that makes me feel extremely good, does that balance out in empathy at all? Can you focus your empathy on feeling good for whoever punched out Andy Ngo?

      • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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        4 years ago

        eh doesn't work like that for me. You'll never get me to agree that torture is ever good or necessary, BUT if violence does happen i'd rather be on the side of people who are using it on oppressors and not the oppressed. If someone feels really good punching a fash - it's like i feel the joy in fighting off an oppressor but not the actual act of violence itself?