IMO criticizing the Church is cool and good and some Protestant branches are broadly okay, e.g., the New England Puritans became mild liberals... after their witch-killing/genociding/Christmas-is-too-pagan/fun-is-sin period, and there are some other Protestant churches which are basically enlightenment deists/pantheists.
But many of "the core ideals" of Protestantism were shit. Martin Luther declared the right to interpret the Bible for yourself - but then encouraged the princes to suppress Anabaptists and other peasants who took their interpretations beyond his own (the latter were all over the place, from ultraconservative to anarchist). Calvinism is just Fuck You, God Gave Me Mine. Anglicanism is Catholicism, but with the King instead of the Pope and no monasteries.
In broad strokes, I'm with Max Weber - Protestantism is Capitalist Christianity. It swept away some feudal backwardness, which is good, but it made money-making moral and made poverty sin. Without universalism, it promotes individualistic, solipsistic morality, moral indifference towards the suffering of other humans. It is the ideological justification of Capitalism.
High Church Anglicanism is Catholicism that wants to fuck the Queen. Low Church (this last few decades) are Evangelical Mega-churches that want to fuck the queen
it took like 10 years for prots to start trying full-on theocracy and prosecuting religious deviants, caths ain't great but there was never a pure protestant dream that got corrupted either. people who care enough about religion to kill people over it tend to be less tolerant types
ain't trying to. fact remains that protestants were just as capable of colonial projects and just as capable of prosecuting religious violence in europe.
personally I really hate Martin Luther specifically so if it seems like I'm singling prots out it might be a bit of personal bias peeking out
Yeah, Catholic Church needed to work through so many bad takes. Unfortunately Luther and Calvin were probably not the best choices to bring them to task.
Hussites were pretty based though, college of Bishops at Constanze have a lot to answer for with his murder.
Protestantism was a mistake. Bring back the inquisition please. (Quakers/Congregationalists/etc. are generally okay.)
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IMO criticizing the Church is cool and good and some Protestant branches are broadly okay, e.g., the New England Puritans became mild liberals... after their witch-killing/genociding/Christmas-is-too-pagan/fun-is-sin period, and there are some other Protestant churches which are basically enlightenment deists/pantheists.
But many of "the core ideals" of Protestantism were shit. Martin Luther declared the right to interpret the Bible for yourself - but then encouraged the princes to suppress Anabaptists and other peasants who took their interpretations beyond his own (the latter were all over the place, from ultraconservative to anarchist). Calvinism is just Fuck You, God Gave Me Mine. Anglicanism is Catholicism, but with the King instead of the Pope and no monasteries.
In broad strokes, I'm with Max Weber - Protestantism is Capitalist Christianity. It swept away some feudal backwardness, which is good, but it made money-making moral and made poverty sin. Without universalism, it promotes individualistic, solipsistic morality, moral indifference towards the suffering of other humans. It is the ideological justification of Capitalism.
Is there a reason why Scotland is relatively "left" liberal today in spite of Calvinism? I feel like that would make for an interesting history.
High Church Anglicanism is Catholicism that wants to fuck the Queen. Low Church (this last few decades) are Evangelical Mega-churches that want to fuck the queen
it took like 10 years for prots to start trying full-on theocracy and prosecuting religious deviants, caths ain't great but there was never a pure protestant dream that got corrupted either. people who care enough about religion to kill people over it tend to be less tolerant types
Real protestantism has never been tried
---joseph smith, before saying hold my beer
Ι mean, caths killed people too.
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you don't want to get into a corpse-measuring contest. both are bad as fuck and both fucked up indigenous people.
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ain't trying to. fact remains that protestants were just as capable of colonial projects and just as capable of prosecuting religious violence in europe.
personally I really hate Martin Luther specifically so if it seems like I'm singling prots out it might be a bit of personal bias peeking out
beep beep "enlightenment" BS detected. Dig up Voltaire and scatter the remains
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Yeah, Catholic Church needed to work through so many bad takes. Unfortunately Luther and Calvin were probably not the best choices to bring them to task.
Hussites were pretty based though, college of Bishops at Constanze have a lot to answer for with his murder.